777F un-official rollout

Yes, the question is the selling price. If the passenger version costs 100M, a F version would cost less, because of the lack of refinements. So the difference in cost is the price of the creature comforts which might be 15M, 20M or 25M per plane.

Presumably the F version would have a few additions like strengthened floors and loading doors.

Conversion F’s are a red herring in this thread.

Yep, conversions are a RH.
Yep, the large doors are expensive, and the extra transfer joints around them…to continue the load that was held by the stringers where the door now is.
Not sure about the floors, certainly different panels, but pax seats and their mounts have to withstand something like 25G before breaking off, my point being the floors are pretty strong now. Floors are also the spine of a commercial airliner. Above it is just a series of rings that wobble a lot (As can be seen if you sit at the back during turbulance)
Also consider (I think it was mentioned above) that market forces play a part in the price. These do not follow a formula from the cost. If this A/c did something special, it could add extra to the price for no additional cost…so long as it stays within the band the the customers are prepared to pay.

Yes, the question is the selling price. If the passenger version costs 100M, a F version would cost less, because of the lack of refinements. So the difference in cost is the price of the creature comforts which might be 15M, 20M or 25M per plane.

Presumably the F version would have a few additions like strengthened floors and loading doors.

Conversion F’s are a red herring in this thread.

If it’s a scratch built freighter, it is much cheaper to build than a pax. If it’s a conversion, then obviously dearer.
F are cheaper to build principally because there is no fancy trim inside, and no windows. Windows are a PITA to an aircraft manufacturer, we’d like to get rid of them altogether but the pax wouldn’t like it…….possibly drive some of them insane actually.

I know but i think the original question was about BUYING and not producing …

Depends upon the buyer and the aircraft they are buying . Aircrafts like the T7 and A330 787 (others which have huge backlogs) are selling for a premium so discounts are not as much , their could be a situation where certain deals are such that a freighter is selling for a higher cost even after the discounts.

If one looks at boeings catalogue the F version 777 is priced about 13 million higher then its PAX version (2LR) however airlines usually get a considerable discount (25% i’d say on average all the way up to 50-55% for some deals).

If it’s a scratch built freighter, it is much cheaper to build than a pax. If it’s a conversion, then obviously dearer.
F are cheaper to build principally because there is no fancy trim inside, and no windows. Windows are a PITA to an aircraft manufacturer, we’d like to get rid of them altogether but the pax wouldn’t like it…….possibly drive some of them insane actually.

So how much cheaper is a production built freighter model over its passenger counterpart, 10%, 20%, more?

Depends upon the buyer and the aircraft they are buying . Aircrafts like the T7 and A330 787 (others which have huge backlogs) are selling for a premium so discounts are not as much , their could be a situation where certain deals are such that a freighter is selling for a higher cost even after the discounts.

If one looks at boeings catalogue the F version 777 is priced about 13 million higher then its PAX version (2LR) however airlines usually get a considerable discount (25% i’d say on average all the way up to 50-55% for some deals).

So how much cheaper is a production built freighter model over its passenger counterpart, 10%, 20%, more?:confused:

I should imagine FedEx and United Parcel will be interested parties