A few of my flights

You do realise im talking about FS not real life, i would have thought it would be blindingly obvious no real comercial airliner does that, the reason i do that and its agreed with the tower before hand is just so that other people behind me dont have to suffer waiting till im far enough away before they can take off, i always turn away from the runway to allow faster jets to over take me its just the way its been.

But you said yourself it was flightsim, so how can you agree something with something that has artificial intelligence? very bizarre.
You do it to allow the faster jets to overtake you? surely the Rj has a wake turbulence catagory like every aeroplane, and whether you have turned early or not makes no odds, it is your rotate wake turbulence that is the issue, so they would have to wait for you anyway

and yes i know the diffrence im not that interlectually challenged.

So much so that you can’t spell intellectually? Come on then wiseguy, what’s the difference between the 2 without googling it?

Also No a passenger carrying aircraft will not land on mud or sand or grass because most runways in europe are not in the 3rd world they have something that well call tarmac and concreat over them

Really? being a pilot myself I didn’t know this, it is true what they say, you learn something every day

However in africa if you notice theres not many airports that can accomadate 747’s on thier grass strips and thier sand strips and sometimes just mud, who goes in with the cargo and passengers? BAe146 and RJ 100’s not to mention the AN124, it is classified as a STOL aircraft hence why its the only jet allowed into london city.

I still want references to RJs landing on mud & sand in particular, not to mention grass, so please provide a URL to show this, I am genuinely interested.

Sorry for not taking your post seriously, but I still don’t see how you pride yourself on being a “BAV_Captain” when you are not even attempting to emulate the real BA which is what your Virtual Airline is all about.

Anyway back on topic, if you have more pics feel free to share them

You do realise im talking about FS not real life, i would have thought it would be blindingly obvious no real comercial airliner does that, the reason i do that and its agreed with the tower before hand is just so that other people behind me dont have to suffer waiting till im far enough away before they can take off, i always turn away from the runway to allow faster jets to over take me its just the way its been.

But you said yourself it was flightsim, so how can you agree something with something that has artificial intelligence? very bizarre.
You do it to allow the faster jets to overtake you? surely the Rj has a wake turbulence catagory like every aeroplane, and whether you have turned early or not makes no odds, it is your rotate wake turbulence that is the issue, so they would have to wait for you anyway

and yes i know the diffrence im not that interlectually challenged.

So much so that you can’t spell intellectually? Come on then wiseguy, what’s the difference between the 2 without googling it?

Also No a passenger carrying aircraft will not land on mud or sand or grass because most runways in europe are not in the 3rd world they have something that well call tarmac and concreat over them

Really? being a pilot myself I didn’t know this, it is true what they say, you learn something every day

However in africa if you notice theres not many airports that can accomadate 747’s on thier grass strips and thier sand strips and sometimes just mud, who goes in with the cargo and passengers? BAe146 and RJ 100’s not to mention the AN124, it is classified as a STOL aircraft hence why its the only jet allowed into london city.

I still want references to RJs landing on mud & sand in particular, not to mention grass, so please provide a URL to show this, I am genuinely interested.

Sorry for not taking your post seriously, but I still don’t see how you pride yourself on being a “BAV_Captain” when you are not even attempting to emulate the real BA which is what your Virtual Airline is all about.

Anyway back on topic, if you have more pics feel free to share them

The shot of the BAe-146/RJ100 your referring to was taken during testing/certification of the type. I don’t think they’ve ever called it on it operationally to land or takeoff from semi prepared grass strips.

The shot of the BAe-146/RJ100 your referring to was taken during testing/certification of the type. I don’t think they’ve ever called it on it operationally to land or takeoff from semi prepared grass strips.

First of all the angle is not level the bank is not even 25 degree, secondly the shot is taken from the backside if i took it from the front you would see around 3 or 4 aircraft waiting right behind me no doubt it being a lufthansa flight of some sort.

For other pictures of the 146’s in africa and what not ive seen a few its not well documented, however if your in england and have discovery wings watch flight deck BAe146 with captain jim rice i believe flying the lufthansa jet into LCY, they do show a clip of the 146 landing on a small grass strip, im quite sure of that!

Also new york to america depending on what NAT track you are on time will vary greatly it took my friend jon 9 hours and 45 minuets to go from EGLL to KJFK where on the way back it was only 7 hours, again depends on aircraft hieght wieght NAT track and whats in front.

I did once EDDF to CYYZ ment to be a straight 8 hour flight it took 13 hours simply because i messed up in the FMC stage (put wrong way point in) had to land at KMIA and re fuel.

Good weather in real life yeah 6 to 7 hours london to KJFK bad weather bit more but again it depends on traffic EDDF on vatsim is heavy on a friday and saturday night thats what i find any way.

And yes your correct an aircraft wont back so soon on take off in real life what you see below me is a taxi way going to runway 18 i took off from 25R and thats why you cant see traffic, whats more this picture was taken not immediatly after take off im more then 3/4 down the runways and well above 400 feet ok yes broke the rule by turning at below 1000 feet but it allowed two aircraft to over take me and i dont make a massive turn either i still follow runway heading just off side. till my waypoints.

First of all the angle is not level the bank is not even 25 degree, secondly the shot is taken from the backside if i took it from the front you would see around 3 or 4 aircraft waiting right behind me no doubt it being a lufthansa flight of some sort.

For other pictures of the 146’s in africa and what not ive seen a few its not well documented, however if your in england and have discovery wings watch flight deck BAe146 with captain jim rice i believe flying the lufthansa jet into LCY, they do show a clip of the 146 landing on a small grass strip, im quite sure of that!

Also new york to america depending on what NAT track you are on time will vary greatly it took my friend jon 9 hours and 45 minuets to go from EGLL to KJFK where on the way back it was only 7 hours, again depends on aircraft hieght wieght NAT track and whats in front.

I did once EDDF to CYYZ ment to be a straight 8 hour flight it took 13 hours simply because i messed up in the FMC stage (put wrong way point in) had to land at KMIA and re fuel.

Good weather in real life yeah 6 to 7 hours london to KJFK bad weather bit more but again it depends on traffic EDDF on vatsim is heavy on a friday and saturday night thats what i find any way.

And yes your correct an aircraft wont back so soon on take off in real life what you see below me is a taxi way going to runway 18 i took off from 25R and thats why you cant see traffic, whats more this picture was taken not immediatly after take off im more then 3/4 down the runways and well above 400 feet ok yes broke the rule by turning at below 1000 feet but it allowed two aircraft to over take me and i dont make a massive turn either i still follow runway heading just off side. till my waypoints.

BAV_Captain, I have searched Airliners.net endlessly for the shots from Africa that you describe, but I am not able to find any. What airports in particular would I need to search for in order to see these Red Cross 146 aircraft landing on mud runways?

It is rather funny that my earlier comment was almost ridiculed, when in fact, I was correct all along. Whether in Flight Simulator or in the real world, I am certain that no aircraft would ever bank as soon as yours did. Even in your screenshot, it is clear that there are none of these faster aircraft that you talk about, waiting to take off.

Also, I am convinced that a flight from New York to London can be completed within 6 hours. Even with a very strong headwind, I am still not convinced (though I am willing to be corrected) that it could take twice as long!

I would suggest getting back on Flight Simulator and learning the basics; takeoffs and landings in particular. Although your screenshots are good, they do suggest that you cannot fly a virtual aircraft.

BAV_Captain, I have searched Airliners.net endlessly for the shots from Africa that you describe, but I am not able to find any. What airports in particular would I need to search for in order to see these Red Cross 146 aircraft landing on mud runways?

It is rather funny that my earlier comment was almost ridiculed, when in fact, I was correct all along. Whether in Flight Simulator or in the real world, I am certain that no aircraft would ever bank as soon as yours did. Even in your screenshot, it is clear that there are none of these faster aircraft that you talk about, waiting to take off.

Also, I am convinced that a flight from New York to London can be completed within 6 hours. Even with a very strong headwind, I am still not convinced (though I am willing to be corrected) that it could take twice as long!

I would suggest getting back on Flight Simulator and learning the basics; takeoffs and landings in particular. Although your screenshots are good, they do suggest that you cannot fly a virtual aircraft.

That is complete rubbish, that is not a typical take off at all from any commercial jet or turbo prop. You would not turn when you are 50ft, period. Unless specific procedures (SID procedures) specify then normally you would climb straight ahead on runway heading until you are 1,000ft above the airport before even thinking about a turn.

You do realise im talking about FS not real life, i would have thought it would be blindingly obvious no real comercial airliner does that, the reason i do that and its agreed with the tower before hand is just so that other people behind me dont have to suffer waiting till im far enough away before they can take off, i always turn away from the runway to allow faster jets to over take me its just the way its been.

When you say they are slower but climb faster are you talking about the best rate of climb or best angle of climb? do you know the difference?

Im slower at crusing i can only cruise at mach 0.70 unlike a 737 mach 0.80 or a 777 at mach 0.84, i can climb at a max empty 4,500fpm yes its a very steep angle one that i dont use, however on take off runway 28 at london city 3,200fpm is used upto 1,000 feet then i ease off to 2,000fpm then ease again later on to 1,600fpm, and yes i know the diffrence im not that interlectually challenged.

You can land on grass / mud / sand? I have never seen an RJ do that ever, so you are a world first. Think about it, if I wanted to put down my 747-400 on the beach using flight sim then I could, easily.

Saying your plane can outclimb others at 2400fpm is again nonsense, because you can climb your 396 tonne 747-400 at over 3,000fpm, and at a climb speed of below 200kts if you had to, but again why would you want to make your passengers feel uncomfortable? the 747 climbing with a faster climb speed than your little “bird” would travel further in the climb over the same time span, and it would climb higher (using your figures), so in effect it is your meagre plane that is being left behind. Remember this is commercial aviation, so why is climbing at such a pathetic airspeed as 95kts better than 200kts? being expedicious is the name of the game when you are trying to make money.

I somehow think you are not taking the “British Airways Virtual” thing seriously enough, the aim of a VA is to “emulate” an airline, in your case British Airways, I cannot recall any BA service that uses an RJ to land on grass, mud or sand.

“xxx Tower Speedbird 423 with you established Localiser at 8 miles for runway 33 mud” L O L

For one take off speed is 95 knots from london city once you have powerd up and flaps up you will climb at 225 knots then at 25,000ft switch to mach 0.70 cruise speed which is around 300 knots.

Also No a passenger carrying aircraft will not land on mud or sand or grass because most runways in europe are not in the 3rd world they have something that well call tarmac and concreat over them, so thats why you dont see them landing on grass mud or sand.

However in africa if you notice theres not many airports that can accomadate 747’s on thier grass strips and thier sand strips and sometimes just mud, who goes in with the cargo and passengers? BAe146 and RJ 100’s not to mention the AN124, it is classified as a STOL aircraft hence why its the only jet allowed into london city.

If you really want to see a RJ-100 or a BAe146 land on grass sand or mud then take a camera and go to africa theres plenty of red cross ones landing on those runways every single day with cargo and passengers, so yes the RJ-100 can land on rough terrain.

That is complete rubbish, that is not a typical take off at all from any commercial jet or turbo prop. You would not turn when you are 50ft, period. Unless specific procedures (SID procedures) specify then normally you would climb straight ahead on runway heading until you are 1,000ft above the airport before even thinking about a turn.

You do realise im talking about FS not real life, i would have thought it would be blindingly obvious no real comercial airliner does that, the reason i do that and its agreed with the tower before hand is just so that other people behind me dont have to suffer waiting till im far enough away before they can take off, i always turn away from the runway to allow faster jets to over take me its just the way its been.

When you say they are slower but climb faster are you talking about the best rate of climb or best angle of climb? do you know the difference?

Im slower at crusing i can only cruise at mach 0.70 unlike a 737 mach 0.80 or a 777 at mach 0.84, i can climb at a max empty 4,500fpm yes its a very steep angle one that i dont use, however on take off runway 28 at london city 3,200fpm is used upto 1,000 feet then i ease off to 2,000fpm then ease again later on to 1,600fpm, and yes i know the diffrence im not that interlectually challenged.

You can land on grass / mud / sand? I have never seen an RJ do that ever, so you are a world first. Think about it, if I wanted to put down my 747-400 on the beach using flight sim then I could, easily.

Saying your plane can outclimb others at 2400fpm is again nonsense, because you can climb your 396 tonne 747-400 at over 3,000fpm, and at a climb speed of below 200kts if you had to, but again why would you want to make your passengers feel uncomfortable? the 747 climbing with a faster climb speed than your little “bird” would travel further in the climb over the same time span, and it would climb higher (using your figures), so in effect it is your meagre plane that is being left behind. Remember this is commercial aviation, so why is climbing at such a pathetic airspeed as 95kts better than 200kts? being expedicious is the name of the game when you are trying to make money.

I somehow think you are not taking the “British Airways Virtual” thing seriously enough, the aim of a VA is to “emulate” an airline, in your case British Airways, I cannot recall any BA service that uses an RJ to land on grass, mud or sand.

“xxx Tower Speedbird 423 with you established Localiser at 8 miles for runway 33 mud” L O L

For one take off speed is 95 knots from london city once you have powerd up and flaps up you will climb at 225 knots then at 25,000ft switch to mach 0.70 cruise speed which is around 300 knots.

Also No a passenger carrying aircraft will not land on mud or sand or grass because most runways in europe are not in the 3rd world they have something that well call tarmac and concreat over them, so thats why you dont see them landing on grass mud or sand.

However in africa if you notice theres not many airports that can accomadate 747’s on thier grass strips and thier sand strips and sometimes just mud, who goes in with the cargo and passengers? BAe146 and RJ 100’s not to mention the AN124, it is classified as a STOL aircraft hence why its the only jet allowed into london city.

If you really want to see a RJ-100 or a BAe146 land on grass sand or mud then take a camera and go to africa theres plenty of red cross ones landing on those runways every single day with cargo and passengers, so yes the RJ-100 can land on rough terrain.

Acctually that is a typical take off from frankfurt and alot of other airports that BAe146 and RJ100’s flyin in and out of, this is due to the fact they are slower but climb faster.

BAV

That is complete rubbish, that is not a typical take off at all from any commercial jet or turbo prop. You would not turn when you are 50ft, period. Unless specific procedures (SID procedures) specify then normally you would climb straight ahead on runway heading until you are 1,000ft above the airport before even thinking about a turn.

When you say they are slower but climb faster are you talking about the best rate of climb or best angle of climb? do you know the difference?

i take off with a 3/4 load at 95knots, i can land on a runway thats 450 feet long and still stop, i dont need to have a tarmac runway either i can land on grass mud sand you name it.

So yes please do mock because you only mock your planes because mine can out climb yours i climb on take off anything upto 2400 fpm can your 747’s do that from 95 knots?

You can land on grass / mud / sand? I have never seen an RJ do that ever, so you are a world first. Think about it, if I wanted to put down my 747-400 on the beach using flight sim then I could, easily.

Saying your plane can outclimb others at 2400fpm is again nonsense, because you can climb your 396 tonne 747-400 at over 3,000fpm, and at a climb speed of below 200kts if you had to, but again why would you want to make your passengers feel uncomfortable? the 747 climbing with a faster climb speed than your little “bird” would travel further in the climb over the same time span, and it would climb higher (using your figures), so in effect it is your meagre plane that is being left behind. Remember this is commercial aviation, so why is climbing at such a pathetic airspeed as 95kts better than 200kts? being expedicious is the name of the game when you are trying to make money.

I somehow think you are not taking the “British Airways Virtual” thing seriously enough, the aim of a VA is to “emulate” an airline, in your case British Airways, I cannot recall any BA service that uses an RJ to land on grass, mud or sand.

“xxx Tower Speedbird 423 with you established Localiser at 8 miles for runway 33 mud” L O L

Acctually that is a typical take off from frankfurt and alot of other airports that BAe146 and RJ100’s flyin in and out of, this is due to the fact they are slower but climb faster.

BAV

That is complete rubbish, that is not a typical take off at all from any commercial jet or turbo prop. You would not turn when you are 50ft, period. Unless specific procedures (SID procedures) specify then normally you would climb straight ahead on runway heading until you are 1,000ft above the airport before even thinking about a turn.

When you say they are slower but climb faster are you talking about the best rate of climb or best angle of climb? do you know the difference?

i take off with a 3/4 load at 95knots, i can land on a runway thats 450 feet long and still stop, i dont need to have a tarmac runway either i can land on grass mud sand you name it.

So yes please do mock because you only mock your planes because mine can out climb yours i climb on take off anything upto 2400 fpm can your 747’s do that from 95 knots?

You can land on grass / mud / sand? I have never seen an RJ do that ever, so you are a world first. Think about it, if I wanted to put down my 747-400 on the beach using flight sim then I could, easily.

Saying your plane can outclimb others at 2400fpm is again nonsense, because you can climb your 396 tonne 747-400 at over 3,000fpm, and at a climb speed of below 200kts if you had to, but again why would you want to make your passengers feel uncomfortable? the 747 climbing with a faster climb speed than your little “bird” would travel further in the climb over the same time span, and it would climb higher (using your figures), so in effect it is your meagre plane that is being left behind. Remember this is commercial aviation, so why is climbing at such a pathetic airspeed as 95kts better than 200kts? being expedicious is the name of the game when you are trying to make money.

I somehow think you are not taking the “British Airways Virtual” thing seriously enough, the aim of a VA is to “emulate” an airline, in your case British Airways, I cannot recall any BA service that uses an RJ to land on grass, mud or sand.

“xxx Tower Speedbird 423 with you established Localiser at 8 miles for runway 33 mud” L O L

My little RJ-100 maynot be as fast but i can take it to places not many other planes can.

i take off with a 3/4 load at 95knots, i can land on a runway thats 450 feet long and still stop, i dont need to have a tarmac runway either i can land on grass mud sand you name it.

So yes please do mock because you only mock your planes because mine can out climb yours i climb on take off anything upto 2400 fpm can your 747’s do that from 95 knots?

My little RJ-100 maynot be as fast but i can take it to places not many other planes can.

i take off with a 3/4 load at 95knots, i can land on a runway thats 450 feet long and still stop, i dont need to have a tarmac runway either i can land on grass mud sand you name it.

So yes please do mock because you only mock your planes because mine can out climb yours i climb on take off anything upto 2400 fpm can your 747’s do that from 95 knots?

The fools. They don’t know what’s good for them eh? They just want all the glamour of taking 767’s to Fuertaventura not realising that real pilots want aircraft that actually have some idiosyncracies and fun in their handling. Good for you for spending all that time with a looked-down-upon yet actually superior aircraft Cap’n.

The fools. They don’t know what’s good for them eh? They just want all the glamour of taking 767’s to Fuertaventura not realising that real pilots want aircraft that actually have some idiosyncracies and fun in their handling. Good for you for spending all that time with a looked-down-upon yet actually superior aircraft Cap’n.

Also the RJ-100 has to be one of thee best aircraft i have ever flown on FS and after flying big heavy jets like the AN124’s 747’s and what have you this little plane which is not flown by alot of flight simmers infact im about the only one in the whole of BAV that acctually flys is and thats out of 1250 pilots!

Also the RJ-100 has to be one of thee best aircraft i have ever flown on FS and after flying big heavy jets like the AN124’s 747’s and what have you this little plane which is not flown by alot of flight simmers infact im about the only one in the whole of BAV that acctually flys is and thats out of 1250 pilots!

Acctually that is a typical take off from frankfurt and alot of other airports that BAe146 and RJ100’s flyin in and out of, this is due to the fact they are slower but climb faster.

Behind me on that shot was a 767 if i had kept a heading of 250 (R/W heading) he would have hit me even if i was 7 or 8 miles out he would have hit me mid air, so routine is take off A/P on as soon as wheels are off gear is up flaps to 18* and turn away from the runway to allow for normal traffic flow.

The aircraft turns at 150 feet as i was at the time that picture was taken if you notice all the other take off pictures on there its exactly the same.

RJ-100 at a cruise is over 100knots slower than a 737 and over 150 knots slower than a 767 but it climbs at 2,200FPM when half loaded

MTOW is 44,000kg (41,000 if at London City) take off speed at 33 flaps is 95 knots while landing speed at average wieght is just 124 knots full flaps.

Acctually that is a typical take off from frankfurt and alot of other airports that BAe146 and RJ100’s flyin in and out of, this is due to the fact they are slower but climb faster.

Behind me on that shot was a 767 if i had kept a heading of 250 (R/W heading) he would have hit me even if i was 7 or 8 miles out he would have hit me mid air, so routine is take off A/P on as soon as wheels are off gear is up flaps to 18* and turn away from the runway to allow for normal traffic flow.

The aircraft turns at 150 feet as i was at the time that picture was taken if you notice all the other take off pictures on there its exactly the same.

RJ-100 at a cruise is over 100knots slower than a 737 and over 150 knots slower than a 767 but it climbs at 2,200FPM when half loaded

MTOW is 44,000kg (41,000 if at London City) take off speed at 33 flaps is 95 knots while landing speed at average wieght is just 124 knots full flaps.