A question about He-100s

My reply to you and the others comes three years late, but it is only now that I read your threads about a He-112 shooting down a P-38 over the Spanish Morocco of that time. I was there, and the Spanish officer who did it was my brother-in-law Miguel Entrena. He flew higher that the group of P-38s and attacked the last one, hitting one of the engines. The P-38 crash-landed on the French Morocco. Miguel confessed me that he was lucky that none of the other American planes had decided to go for him. His flying group got orders to leave the Americans alone in the future.

Fascinating, always good to here the inside story – certainly sheds some light on this incident. Thanks for posting Melillita.

My reply to you and the others comes three years late, but it is only now that I read your threads about a He-112 shooting down a P-38 over the Spanish Morocco of that time. I was there, and the Spanish officer who did it was my brother-in-law Miguel Entrena. He flew higher that the group of P-38s and attacked the last one, hitting one of the engines. The P-38 crash-landed on the French Morocco. Miguel confessed me that he was lucky that none of the other American planes had decided to go for him. His flying group got orders to leave the Americans alone in the future.

Great He-100 Link/link’s

Here’s a fantastic link my mate Pommie Pete(Seavixen) just sent me! 😎

Enjoy!!!!!!!! 😀

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient-ff&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGGL:2006-25,GGGL:en&q=HE+100

Must crash now, not traveling real great, but the battle must continue 😉

Will will never SURENDER! :dev2:

(must be that Pommie pirate blood, still in my vein’s from those Corwall Nankivell’s I decend from :rolleyes: )

Ciao, ” Gut Nacht ” all 🙂

ARHH yo ho ho me matey’s :p

FOR REAL

It will look great next to the Me-309 if it’s finished in time.

What a formation Me-109, He-100. Me-309!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :rolleyes:

Undoubtedly 😀

Glad to hear it. I’m still waiting for the Stirling but I suppose this will do in the meantime.

Undoubtedly 😀

Will there be one at Legends?

Where are they now?

Just kidding, would all be pot’s and pan’s long a go, thank’s for the extras guy’s,
I had read about the cooling system before, a few different maker’s around that time and earler had been experimented with similiar type cooling.

Interesting Aircraft, good straight line speed.

Must be off, Knackered ” Gut Nacht ” all

Romanian He 112’s

I can’t really tell you much about them, other than the details given in Heinkel: An Aircraft Album published back in 1970. This notes: “One order for new He 112s did materialise from Rumania, for 24 examples. The first 13, of the B-0 series, were delivered from May 1939, whilst the remainder, delivered in late September as B-1s, had individual exhaust stubs to provide thrust augmentation.” Sadly, no details about their use by Rumania.

Just checked with ‘IN THE SKIES OF EUROPE’ BY Hans Werner Neulen. He states that the He 112 was to prove itself in action over Odessa and the Black Sea until surviving aircraft were passed on to flying training schools in 1943. 18 survived the war.
Ray

Unless I’ve missed it, no-one exapanded on the He100’s evaporative cooling system, which helped it to be very aerodynamically clean – hence its outstanding straight line speed. As I recall the He100 was the product of the lessons of the He112 which was, through a long and painful process, developed into an aircraft which was more or less the equal of the Bf109. However, the 109 boat had long since sailed, and in any case the He112 was far more complex and labour intensive to build. The He100 was therefore not only high performing but much simpler than the He112 and easier to build. The official line seems to be that the RLM had decided that Heinkel was a bomber manufacturer and should leave fighters to Messerschmitt. I suspect twitchiness about the exaporative cooling might have influenced decisions not to put it into series production. They certainly went to great lengths to make the Allies think they were using it.

The Ki61 story is appealing given the aesthetic similarities of the two, and the fact that the aircraft was a conscious attempt to make a ‘European style’ fighter (indeed with a licence built Daimler Benz engine) but I suspect it was no more directly influenced by the He100 than it was by the Bf109, Spitfire and Hurricane. As far as the LaGG 3 is concerned, I don’t particularly buy it – the Russians always seemed to go their own way on fighter design.

Amazing how the Spanish want Gibraltar back as it’s on the Spanish mainland, but won’t let go of Spanish Morocco despite it being the other side of the Straits of Gibraltar isn’t it !!??

Well the clues are n history books, just investigate a bit. 😎

Typical of me,

I go looking for something else in the Archive’s, and get sidetracked with something else just as interesting.

Enjoy those who have not seen the thread,

I had Lost a lot of theses link’s great link’s in a Computer change over, so I hope that some still work.

I think Distilly forgot to answer you JDK mate, maybe he will now.

Ciao for now, please add more to the thread anyone outthere, perhap’s you have a few tid bit’s to add, or picture’s.

Thanks Distiller. However I’m not convinced that the luftwaffe were telling the whole truth for obvious reasons. And likewise the Japanese situation sounds like special pleading to me. It’s not impossible, but I’ve come across these stores quite often in technological history; and when you track it back it’s always an inability to admit someone else’s design is fine without your help. When was it published?

I do like the ‘Inspired the LaGG 3 line. Smacks of the ‘all Russian a/c were western copies’ myth of the 50s – 70s. Haven’t we moved on from there? Of course the Martin Baker MB-5 was just a cheap copy of the P-51D… Sigh.

Rather like cars, aircraft go through fashions of style often regarded as the pinnicle of that achievement at the time, but in hindsight are basically a ballance of design factors leading to similar looking conclusions.

Not convinced by the Ki-61 story either. What’s the date on your source Distiller?

Cheers!

A quite well known German multi-volume series called “Die Deutsche Luftfahrt”. Says here, that when the Luftwaffe inspected the LaGG, they found a good number of duplicated parts from the 112 in it.
And on the “Tony”: A copy of the He112 was competing (as HeAX1 as far as I recall) against the Ki-61 (which was equipped with a DB601 engine, as we know), but wasn’t chosen because the Tony was well advanced. However, certain parts and designs were transplanted into the Ki-61.

@Radararchive: Perhaps something else – important else – was hit, but a P-38 should be able to fly on one engine. That’s why I didn’t write “shot down”.

I do like the ‘Inspired the LaGG 3 line. Smacks of the ‘all Russian a/c were western copies’ myth of the 50s – 70s. Haven’t we moved on from there? Of course the Martin Baker MB-5 was just a cheap copy of the P-51D… Sigh.

Rather like cars, aircraft go through fashions of style often regarded as the pinnicle of that achievement at the time, but in hindsight are basically a ballance of design factors leading to similar looking conclusions.

Not convinced by the Ki-61 story either. What’s the date on your source Distiller?

Cheers!

Thank’s Distilly

Great sites 😀 ,

My spanish is nill(only what I learnt off Faulty Towers :p ) ,
But great pics :rolleyes: , Second ones very interesting 🙂 ,

So it’s not true what they say about you :p , That 1800 My GOD info line must come in handy 😎 ,

Cheers 😉 , Tally Ho! Phil :diablo:

Excuse me if I’m missing something, but surely if you damage an engine, causing an aircraft to crash land, that constitutes shooting it down?

This one here says the P-38 wasn’t really shot down, only one engine damaged, which caused it to belly-land:
http://usuarios.lycos.es/seelowe/Aviones/He112.htm
Solo como curiosidad, durante la Segunda Guerra Mundial, existió un curioso enfrentamiento entre este ya desfasado avión en servicio con el Ejército del Aire Español y un P-38 de la USAF. El espacio aéreo del entonces Marruecos Español, era invadido habitualmente por los aviones americanos. El teniente Miguel entrena despegó del aeródromo con su He-112 armado con los cañones de 20mm (y sin munición en las mucho más rápidas ametralladoras de 7.9mm), alcanzando a uno de los P-38, que hubo de tomar tierra una vez pasado el fronterizo río (con Argelia) de Muluya, con un motor menos.

Another www source of He112’s services (Baugher):
http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pettypi/elevon/baugher_other/he112.html

No Luck yet, Anyone out there Know He-112 downs P-38

Thank’s Distilly 😀 ,

Saved me from writting it :rolleyes: ,
Seems I have the same pages in front of my eyes :p , If that picture was Hans Dieterie next to the rep 😮 ,

It would fit in 😉 , Himself raising the speed record in one to 463.92 mph (746.61 km/h) at Oranienburg 30th March 1939, I have been trying to chase up the P-38 clash with the He-112 confused: , But have had no luck yet 🙁 , Cheers all far and WIDE, Tally Ho! 😉 Phil :dev2:

Daz Sorry but those Buchons ugly nose 😮 need a D.B. face lift :p

There were more exports of the He100:
# three went to Russia in fall 1939 (and inspired the LaGG-3)
# a small number was delivered to Japan (and inspired the Ki-61)

These were He100D-0 series planes. Heinkel built 25, 19 of them with surface cooler plus aux cooler and twin MG151 in the outer wings, and 5 of them with a cooler like a A-36/P-51.

The first time the He100 was called He113 by the propaganda appartus in March 1939, right after the record flights. And they also depicted it as He112U. In September 1940 the German Luftwaffe magazine had a He100D-0 as He113 on the cover (the one with the flash on the fuselage). They said then, that units of He113 were used during the Operation “Weseruebung” (Denmark and Norway). During the Battle of Britain that same aircraft was depicted as a black painted night fighter.

And to thwart misunderstandings: The He112 is not the He100/He113 (also, as written above, at one time they called a He100 He112U). The He112 was a competitor to the Bf109, Ar80 and Fw159.
He112s were delivered to Spain (B-2 series, eight or so) and Romania (B-1 series, 24 aircraft, May 1939), were they actually did see combat against the Soviets in the Krim area.