A question for Mark 12 ?

merlin3945, I know its all about that important piece of paper, but to me an aircraft has to be airworthy before the CAA can sign it off as being airworthy !!

Steve”P”.

Steve,

Is it that silly?

I do understand what you are saying. Yes of course you need a complete aircraft BUT unless you have all the relevant papers signed off by the CAA or who ever it happens to be you could still have as many aircraft as you wanted complete and ready to fly and ready to be airworthy but it still wouldnt allow them to fly LEGALLY therefore Airworthy.

What I wrote above was assuming we already had a complete aircraft.

Yes sorry about that eddie. Aloha needs to up date his list. Like you say some people are non contactable !

Steve”P”

Steve – exactly. So while RW382 may not be airworthy yet, I’m sure it will fly a lot sooner than some other aircraft on the list that are on the books as airworthy. (By the way – you said I should update my list for the owners – it’s Aloha’s list, and definitely outdated – several owners being permanently uncontactable!).

Thats a silly statement merlin3945, its not just about paperwork !!AB910 would have a job to fly being in HFLs workshop in many pieces. You do need a complete aircraft !!

Steve”P”

I had assumed RW382 had flown as it’s been on static display. If it hasn’t, it’s very close.

I thought I had missed an announcement somehow!!

It can’t be far off now!

I think the problem you’re up against is that an “airworthy Spitfire” list is always difficult. Where do you draw the line as to an aircraft being non-airworthy? A week away from flying? A month? A year?

The difference between Airworthy and Non Airworthy is simply paperwork. If you dont have the paperwork to fly then there is no Airworthy at all.

That is the difference.

I do understand what you mean though but unless the paper is kept up to date no amount of money or maintainence is going to make an aircraft Airworthy.

Eddie, you should up date your list as to who owns what and what has flown and whats not. Could save you some embarrassment !!

Steve”P”

Actually PS890.

Ouch. That 5 bladed prop on her was practically brand new.

Gah! I’m getting myself confused! I meant TE311, of course!

I had assumed RW382 had flown as it’s been on static display. If it hasn’t, it’s very close.

There’s also the French based Mk.XIV SM832, although didn’t that have a prop strike on landing incident recently….?

SM832 has been in the US for the best part of a decade now.

There’s also the French based Mk.XIV SM832, although didn’t that have a prop strike on landing incident recently….?

Actually PS890.

Your list is missing TE213 and RW382 which are both now flying.

Are they?? :confused:

European based Spitfires
MV154 D-FEUR Mk.VIIIc Max Alpha Aviation Ltd, Eschbach, Germany.
MK732 PH-OUQ Mk.IX Royal Netherlands Air Force Historic Flight, Gilze Rijen Air Base, Netherlands.
RW386 SM-BIL Mk.XVIe Biltema, Sweden.
SM845 SE-BIN Mk.XVIIIe Biltema , Ängelholm, Sweden.
PS890 F-AZJS PR.XIX Christophe Jacquard Dijon-Darois airport, France
MJ772 D-FMKN Tr.IX Meiermotors GmbH, Bremgarten Airport, Germany

All the Hurricanes again Google would let me find and im not sure if it correct or not Airworthy
• Hurricane Mk I R4118 (registered G-HUPW) in flyable condition kept in Oxfordshire.
• Hurricane XII Z5140 (registered G-HURI), Canadian-built Hurricane Mk XII painted to represent a Hurricane Mk IIB No. 126 Squadron RAF and operated by the Historic Aircraft Collection, Duxford. Cambridgeshire.[8]
• Sea Hurricane Mk IB Z7015 (registered G-BKTH) operated by Shuttleworth Collection Old Warden, England. Former service with 759 and 880 Naval Air Squadrons of the Fleet Air Arm.[8]
• Hurricane Mk IIc LF363 is operated by the Battle of Britain Memorial Flight, RAF Coningsby, Lincolnshire.[8]
• Hurricane Mk IIc PZ865, the last Hurricane built, operated by the Battle of Britain Memorial Flight at RAF Coningsby, Lincolnshire.[8]
• Hurricane Mk IIb BE505 (registered G-HHII), the last flying “Hurribomber”, operated by The Hangar 11 Collection from North Weald

There’s also the French based Mk.XIV SM832, although didn’t that have a prop strike on landing incident recently….?

And for Hurricane’s, there’s also the ex-AFC Hurricane Mk.1 P3351 that is also now based in France.

MJ772 D-FMKN is not and never was owned by Meiermotors. It was there for overhaul / repair for getting airworthy after purchase. It is owned by AirFighter Academy Heringsdorf (Island of Usedom), Germany.

Michael

I think the problem you’re up against is that an “airworthy Spitfire” list is always difficult – as Mark12 has frequently told us, where do you draw the line as to an aircraft being non-airworthy? A week away from flying? A month? A year? I’m sure others on the list are undergoing maintenance at the moment that would be a while away from being able to fly.

well thanks for the update Eddie like i said it was the best a google search would let me do, and was slightly incorrect, it would be good if there was a definitive updated list that someone could post every 6 months or so giving status of individual aircraft. As for an airs how well school boy dreams for me unless i win the loto ? although i could be persuaded to help if a certain venue came and asked. ??????

It depends on when you’re planning to have this air show!
From your list:

AB910 – currently being overhauled
RR232 – has this flown since the first flight?
NH238 – hasn’t flown in over 20 years and would likely need a re-restoration, see: http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?67864-Spitfire-NH238
MT818 – hasn’t flown since returning to UK
SM845 – fatal accident in 2010, under rebuild
PS890 – recent landing incident – probably still under repair

Your list is missing TE213 and RW382 which are both now flying.