A salutary warning over visiting sites and collecting bits and bobs.

Really? Where, exactly, does anybody on this thread advocate anarchy?

Don’t feed the trolls, it only encourages them.

Really? Where, exactly, does anybody on this thread advocate anarchy?

Er…..reading comprehension: ‘I take it…’?

Do you seriously want to keep doing this?

🙂 It is the entirety of your inaccurate rendition of my comments that i’m describing as a strawman. The entirety of my prior comment with presumably in front was not an inaccurate rendition of your thoughts. Your comment is of mine however.

[I” these are not designed to inflict damage or kill”.][/I]

You’ve obviously never had an H&H on full volume then!

I really want to get a clean example of an IC100 S head. I tried one a few years back with the studio/stage switch, through an old Burman 412 cab. Loud enough to stun a whale!

Err… reading comprehension? “Presumably.”

I take it you will be equally happy to see the authorities take similar action agains anybody going about any other completely legal activity but that any one of us sees as ‘perverse’!

I take you gain pleasure from creating strawmen?

Er…..reading comprehension: ‘I take it…’?

Do you seriously want to keep doing this?

[I” these are not designed to inflict damage or kill”.][/I]

You’ve obviously never had an H&H on full volume then!

I take it you will be equally happy to see the authorities take similar action agains anybody going about any other completely legal activity but that any one of us sees as ‘perverse’!

Name any hobby or interest and I’m sure someone is against it.
I’m sure some environmental activists are against flying warbirds…polluting, dangerous, noisy etc, etc.
I have vintage autos, so the same could be said about my hobby.

I personally don’t share his interest, but I’m always a bit concerned when some are willing to take away some other guy’s freedom.

You maintain there is a legitimate need for action on this guy’s hobby…but who will we elect as our hobby “czar”?

You only managed to get one freedom into your hysterical spiel. You are letting your country down and failing in your duties in conforming to the standards required by your wonderfully free nation!

I see it as fairly cut and dry. There are a few things I would consider collecting; vintage guitar effects pedals, obscure off-brand Japanese bass guitars from the ’70s and ’80s, vintage HH Electronic guitar amps etc… these are not designed to inflict damage or kill. The vast majority of things people collect, as a hobby, are not designed to damage or kill. If the Police get a tip off that some basement dweller has a massive collection of weapons then it would be foolish of them to assume automatically that they were deactivated historic relics. In fact, I wager a ‘look what the stupid pigs did this time’ thread would appear in General Discussion faily quickly if some junior plod gets shot having been sent round to the next Tony Martin’s house because the postman spied a few grenades through the letterbox.

As for a ‘perverse’ need to collect old weaponry, and your apparent freedoms to do so, I wager the bulk of these guys are autistic. Look at Ken Ward as the posterboy for these guys.

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Err… reading comprehension? “Presumably.”

I take it you will be equally happy to see the authorities take similar action agains anybody going about any other completely legal activity but that any one of us sees as ‘perverse’!

I take you gain pleasure from creating strawmen?

Name any hobby or interest and I’m sure someone is against it.
I’m sure some environmental activists are against flying warbirds…polluting, dangerous, noisy etc, etc.
I have vintage autos, so the same could be said about my hobby.

I personally don’t share his interest, but I’m always a bit concerned when some are willing to take away some other guy’s freedom.

You maintain there is a legitimate need for action on this guy’s hobby…but who will we elect as our hobby “czar”?

This update sent by a friend – seems in this case all inert and safe, at least it seems that someone with a brain was present and knew what they were looking at. I think 99.9% of peoples collections are most likely the same (inert). Afterall who wants things that can go bang around the house putting their families at risk, what would the point be?

Thats great!
Police came in with a “trust but verify” attitude, or that they expected a careful law abiding collector.

The public gets the Police Force it deserves…

Surely the ‘public’ get the Police Force that the criminals deserve.

What’s a straw man? Or, as Twin Otter suggested, a straw woman?

Re the point someone made about contacting the local firearms licencing officer to make him aware of the collection, one of the people wrongly raided was a licenced firearms dealer, can’t say they weren’t aware of him.

There’s an old saying that has been used since the days of Robert Peel…

The public gets the Police Force it deserves…

and when I was in the force, we still wore proper uniforms and pointy helmets… quite a different breed to today’s quasi-military uniforms. All we had were ten inches of mahogany truncheon, Hiatt “Darby” type handcuffs; a whistle… and common sense.

This update sent by a friend…

This isn’t the St Albans case…

…but shows perfectly the approach that many here were advocating.

With regard to the St Albans case we still do not know if anything illegal was being held by the collector or if he was involved in any other illegal recovery actions.

Well you keep building them. I’m not going to respond to your fantasy versions of my comments.

But we’re all anarchists…..right?

The number of allegations of the Police being a gang of sorts is interesting.

Presumably those that alledge that would prefer to be walking the streets themselves administering their own version of justice or simply wish to live under a regime of anarchy…

Er, strawman? :rolleyes:

Hello, pot…..this is kettle!!!

As I said, Guilty until proven Innocent and this man is 100% innocent of any crime.

This update sent by a friend – seems in this case all inert and safe, at least it seems that someone with a brain was present and knew what they were looking at. I think 99.9% of peoples collections are most likely the same (inert). Afterall who wants things that can go bang around the house putting their families at risk, what would the point be?

Strawmen, strawmen, strawmen…..is that all you can say?

How exactly in this case are the Police ‘protecting intelligence assets’?

Well you keep building them. I’m not going to respond to your fantasy versions of my comments.

The cops are damed if they don’t and damed if they do.
We seem to blame the cops for everything these days, after the blame we then need the obligatory public enquiry at great public expense and then after contacting the IPCC why not call them before the select committee at the houses of Parliament to be questioned before Mr Vaz. It is important that we as a nation and civilisation strive for utopia, nothing but perfection will do. I hope to be at Brenzett aerojumble this Saturday, if the weather is not to good or I can’t find the part I’m looking for then I”m going to blame the cops.

Knee jerk reactions by the Police and as said above the order of these raids a wrong, tipping off the press first must stop to protect the innocent, the Cliff Richard debacle ( I know everyone avoided mentioning it here) is going to see heads fall and rightly so, if he is guilty of something or not, this is not the way UK policing should be going, also it brings the problems in of if your letting a member of the public know of an impending raid, Press or not, it is also allowing for maybe a tip off and evidence being disposed of very quickly, this happened in the hacking scandal.

I am not police bashing, I am wanting everyone protected, victims, who can be the innocent one with their doors smashed in when as stated in other replies here it could of been a knock on the door with a EOD expert.

sad sounds like entrapment.