well generally speaking.. French weapons are expensive such as Rafale, Le Clerc, Mica etc (but are reliable and usually have less political restriction). Russian equivelents are usually cheap, American weapons range from pretty cheap to expensive, German weapons are also rather expensive. I was wondering bout Italian weapons.. they do make a wide variety of weapons especially land and sea wise..how much do they cost generally, in comparison with other counterparts.. such as say Ariet price vs Challenger/Leopard 2/le clerc..etc
By: mixtec - 14th July 2002 at 01:24
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[updated:LAST EDITED ON 14-07-02 AT 01:26 AM (GMT)]The CASA Aviojet primary trainer/light attack a/c qualifys as a weapon. The aviojet could have been a formidable seller, but by trying to save some weight shortening the rear fuelage ahead of the tailsurfaces, they ended up with a very unaerodynamic jug-like looking fuselage. Having slight wing sweep similar to the hawk would have made it more marketable also. I think spain makes some pretty good semi-auto pistols too.
By: keltic - 13th July 2002 at 20:55
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Spain doesn´t make weapons at all. At least as far as know. In any case, the main industry in my city is called urovesa www.urovesa.es
and makes militar vans and cars for the army. They manufacture the cheap version of the popular Hummer. It´s quite good and usually exported to arab countries (Iran for instance, whose cargo planes are seen over here sometimes).
By: mixtec - 12th July 2002 at 19:06
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[updated:LAST EDITED ON 12-07-02 AT 07:07 PM (GMT)]Rabie- The viper turbojets fuel consuption is very good, it isnt that much more than turbofans of the same class. Turbojets have longer service hours and higher maintainability and less limits to throtal changes, so its really a tradeoff as to whats more important. It should be mentioned that the isrealis were going to put a turbojet in their Lavi, were that to have gone into service. So the idea of using a turbojet isnt as outmoded as you might think. They were strongly considering using vipers in the jaguar also but turbofans were thought to be more marketable, so they went with the adour. Can anyone find the fuel consuption specs for the rolls royce viper and the adour for a comparison?
By: Rabie - 12th July 2002 at 09:47
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my problem with most trainers in the world are they use turbojets that IIRC use a lot mor fuel. the hawk use the adour, the alpha the lazarc, etc whicha re turbofans.
before hawk mania there seamed to ahve been m336 mania IMHO
rabie :9
By: Geforce - 11th July 2002 at 21:46
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The Mongoose never became a succes, the MB339 did. The Mongoose “the only animal which eats Cobra’s” 😀 Ironically, the Cobra has beaten the Mongoose in almost every competition. It’s a shame to see that italian arms are always related with corruption etc. In Belgium, no politican dares to pronounce the word Agusta or he’ll be send home.
And what about the AMX, also a joint-project, but this time , not with another European partner.
By: mixtec - 11th July 2002 at 21:16
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Italy does have its own tank, I cant remember what its called. I havent heard much about it and am curious how it rates against other tanks like the leopard or de clerk. Italys aermacchi makes some outstanding trainers that have got overlooked because of “hawk mania” that seems to have gripped the world (like many on this forum). The MB-339 I believe is equal to the hawk as far as systems and better as far as manueverability. The S-211 is a light trainer that has also been overlooked. The M-346 looks as though it may hold promise as a crossover between primary and advanced training. Heres a link for aermacchi to view these three trainers: www.aermacchi.com Italy has also made a good attack helicopter called the mongoose that hasnt seen as much success as it should have. Italy has also designed some good diesel subs that havent seen export success. Overall I have to agree that Italian arms have been greatly overlooked.
By: Geforce - 11th July 2002 at 10:59
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[updated:LAST EDITED ON 11-07-02 AT 11:00 AM (GMT)]Well I don’t know that much about Italian arms, but I guess they are also rather expensive (especially in a European consortium).
There has always been the cliché that Italian cars are cheap and unreliable. Once it was like this, but now a Fiat is as reliable as a brand new Toyota or Renualt. That’s why I think the Italian defence industry is also a good choise if you want to buy weapons. And I wouldn’t wait too long before buying them, because within 20 years, there will only be joint-European projects, and thus making it less affordable for some countries.
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