Well folks… here it is. The post some of you have been waiting for.
Before I continue, let me stress now ask Lance, Matt or Webby, to just let this thread run its course, no matter what the comments are, please don’t censor anything, lock this thread, move it to GD, use your red moderator scrawl or in anyway limit this thread. With that out of the way, I shall begin.
OK, straight to the point: I’m outa here, I’m leaving, I’m shutting up shop and leaving town.
Why am I telling you all this and not just fading away? Well, partly to dispel any possible rumours and also to tell you all my point of view. I’m not doing this to gain sympathy or to call for a rally of support. It’s just to get it all in the open and let it be the end of it all.
So why am I leaving? Well to be honest, I’m tired. Tired of all the AvB, tired of having to watch every word I type, tired of everyone looking at everything I say as being Anti-Airbus and just tired of trying to explain myself.
“That’s rich” I know some of you will say about the AvB comment. Well its true. I know that not so long ago I instigated a lot of it and that I would be very aggressive in my Boeing defence. I know I also came across as arrogant and stuck up.
Since my ban, I’ve tried very hard to put that all behind me. I’ve made a point to post fact more than anything else when it comes to matters involving Airbus or Boeing. I’ve tried very hard to show a more objective manner when posting and explain anything I say. I’ve also made the effort to show people that I welcome peoples opinions even though I might disagree with some of them. But, I guess that was not enough.
Despite my efforts, I have been subjected to a steady and constant stream of personal jibes, small insults, aggravation and baiting. Sometimes all in one thread. Some perfectly innocent threads have been looked, deleted or merged because I let myself get baited and got into a flame war. Even as I write this, I am receiving MSN messages saying I am being arrogant and immature about this decision.
I’ll admit that yes I am a big fan of Boeing and I don’t think I’ve made any attempt at hiding that. And yes, I don’t like Airbus all that much. Not the aircraft but the organisation, another thing I’ve made no attempt to hide. But what I certainly, indubitably am not is a blinded fan boy who worships Boeing as some sort of god. I acknowledge their bad points just as much as I do for Airbus. I’ve made a very big effort to try and show this and on numerous occasions I’ve spoken just as blackly about the big B as I do with A. But that effort seems to have been ignored by those who refer to me as an arrogant Boeing Fanboy.
Just the other night, a perfectly innocent thread in which I answered some fairly normal questions with facts garnered from the Airbus and Boeing websites was degenerated into a slagging match. Why? Simply because I requested someone remove an obvious piece of flame bait that at best was just not clever. That opened up the proverbial flood gates.
A main point of contention seems to be my My easy to aggravate nature.
I can be baited easily and I can often seem to be gunning for a fight. Neither of which I truly intend.
I can only apologise. I can’t take anything back and I can’t repair any trust I destroyed.
But please know that this nature has not been without cost. I have been banned, earned a few enemies and my respect in most (if not all) peoples eyes is lower than a pile of dog crap that just got stepped on and scraped off on a kerb and that is something that truly make me sad. If I could go back and stop myself from saying a few things, I would.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing but in this case, thoroughly useless
That’s ultimately why I am leaving. Its become impossible for me to stay here. I just can’t garauntee I won’t let myself be aggravated into another flame war. I can’t promise that what I say will not sound like I’m being arrogant or cocky. This is no ones fault but mine. Adjusting my attitude has proven useless. Adjusting my methods has failed. So this is realy my only way to keep the peace.
Ciao folks.
ps, I might stay a while to answer any questions you have but my intention now is to log out and get on with other things.
By: Grey Area - 12th June 2005 at 15:11
I have no garauntee that the others who have done nothing but aggravate me will cease and desist in their efforts to troll my postings. As long as these people threaten such… I cannot see a future for me on this forum.
No-one in this Forum will enjoy special privileges, no-one in here will get special treatment, and no-one in here will be above the Code Of Conduct.
Not on my watch, anyhow.
Time to draw the line here, I feel – enough is enough.
Goodbye, Sandy, and the very best of luck to you.
Grey Area
Moderator.
By: bring_it_on - 12th June 2005 at 13:49
Good luck sandy..i am sure that all will miss u in this forum and that the forum will loose a great contributer upon your leaving…Personally i would miss the liveries…
good luck man..and please drop in from time to time just to check how all of us are doing on this forum!
By: Bmused55 - 12th June 2005 at 13:27
I may be one of the ‘main culprits’ in Sandy’s eyes. He will acknowledge that I have spoken to him privately regarding this.
“Even as I write this, I am receiving MSN messages saying I am being arrogant and immature about this decision.”
The quote above is from Sandy’s first post in this thread. I did say I believed he was being arrogant and immature in his decision to leave, and, as he knows, I will stand by what I said. I spoke to him at length the other night about his decision and still think it is a strange decision to make. However, as Greay Area pointed out, I acknowledge the maturity he has displayed in (this is a poor turn of phrase) owning up to his own faults. I see no reason why he should not return as long as he keeps his feelings re Boeing in check and continue to be a valued member of this forum.
The decision is his and his alone.
Regards,
kev35
I’m going to level with you, here and now.
I valued our discussion, several important things were said and I would be lying is I said the whole conversation hadn’t made me think about this decision a little more. As yet in all honesty I still do not know.
But one underlying problem is: although I am perfectly happy to keep my views in check, (And I beleive I was doing so) I have no garauntee that the others who have done nothing but aggravate me will cease and desist in their efforts to troll my postings. As long as these people threaten such… I cannot see a future for me on this forum.
By: MINIDOH - 12th June 2005 at 13:25
Good luck Sandy.
By: Future Pilot - 12th June 2005 at 11:37
A comment made many times in this thread but good luck. 🙂
By: RotarWing - 12th June 2005 at 11:01
Good Luck. I don’t see what the problem is I mean yes you have some pretty strong views, but at the end of the day thats what I thought we were all here to do, we joined the forum because we wanted to share our views. We cant really complain when someone comes over a little strong. Now I know there are going to be lots of people who disagree with me on this one, but to be honest it had to be said. Now you can do hat you like with me band me suspend me or even all send me private messages telling me how much you hate me. At the end of the day ladies and gentlemen we are all here to express our views.
So, Good luck in the future.
By: kev35 - 12th June 2005 at 10:46
I may be one of the ‘main culprits’ in Sandy’s eyes. He will acknowledge that I have spoken to him privately regarding this.
“Even as I write this, I am receiving MSN messages saying I am being arrogant and immature about this decision.”
The quote above is from Sandy’s first post in this thread. I did say I believed he was being arrogant and immature in his decision to leave, and, as he knows, I will stand by what I said. I spoke to him at length the other night about his decision and still think it is a strange decision to make. However, as Greay Area pointed out, I acknowledge the maturity he has displayed in (this is a poor turn of phrase) owning up to his own faults. I see no reason why he should not return as long as he keeps his feelings re Boeing in check and continue to be a valued member of this forum.
The decision is his and his alone.
Regards,
kev35
By: Hand87_5 - 12th June 2005 at 10:40
Sandy.
Have a nice cup of coffee, a good night sleep, maybe a few days of vacation and think about it. We (I) do need you outstanding airliner color schemes.So consider to stick around.
Whatever your decision will be ….. have fun.
By: Bmused55 - 12th June 2005 at 02:00
Good luck, and perhaps till later?
Perhaps it’s a good idea to get another username and start from scratch. Right or wrong, your name does seem to work as a magnet on trolls since they know you are easily aggraveted. Starting out announamously might stop that.
It’s a shame this has had to happen to you…
Thank you for that suggestion, but I couldn’t help but notice one disadvantage.
The moment I post a livery design or similar illustration, the game is up and the trolling begins again.
Its interesting to note that the main culprits that have given me endless grief over the last months have steered clear of this thread. Despite them having posted on numerous occasions on this forum in the past 12 hours.
Oh well… just an observation… think nothing of it. Thank you for your kind words folks, perhaps sometime in the future I may return…. perhaps.
By: US Agent - 11th June 2005 at 23:56
Bummer…hope you reconsider…if not, good luck to you sir.
By: David2386 - 11th June 2005 at 09:57
Take care!
By: KabirT - 11th June 2005 at 03:50
good luck Sandy. 🙂
By: Grey Area - 10th June 2005 at 23:49
I gain no satisfaction or pleasure whatsoever from this, and I can only acknowledge and admire the dignity that Sandy has shown tonight.
Speaking in a personal capacity, I think that he should seriously consider the suggestion that tenthije put forward.
Grey Area
Moderator
By: Arabella-Cox - 10th June 2005 at 23:21
Huge miss to the forums, good luck in the future.
By: Robert Hamilton - 10th June 2005 at 22:57
sandy, i for one will miss u especially for ure replys to most and mainly every thread in the commercial forum! thx mate cya and good luck
By: Humberside - 10th June 2005 at 22:55
Good luck for the future. Always bad to see a valued member go
By: OSH - 10th June 2005 at 22:46
Sandy,
I hope I wasn’t a contributor to this departure. I didn’t really understand the Boeing bias,but valued your livery designs,and hope this leads to something interesting in the future for you. I must admit I came across a bit strong in my anti bias comments at times to you,and for that ,I apologise.
George(Osh)
By: tenthije - 10th June 2005 at 22:28
Good luck, and perhaps till later?
Perhaps it’s a good idea to get another username and start from scratch. Right or wrong, your name does seem to work as a magnet on trolls since they know you are easily aggraveted. Starting out announamously might stop that.
It’s a shame this has had to happen to you…
By: T5 - 10th June 2005 at 22:26
I can sympathise with a lot of what you are saying.
Like the others, I won’t beg you to stay and can only wish you the very best for the future.
🙂
By: LFC24 - 10th June 2005 at 22:23
Sorry to see you leaving..
Good luck!
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