AA Classic Flight Aircraft

Long live the Coni

Look forward to seeing the end result and hopefully another success story for an aircraft being save fron the scrap..

It looks like some free advertising at the moment but are the new owners going to give it a new scheme before it opens as accomadation.

G-CONV new location – pics

http://www.ukar.co.uk/cgi-bin/ukarboard/ikonboard.cgi?;act=ST;f=34;t=26757

http://www.ukar.co.uk/cgi-bin/ukarboard/ikonboard.cgi?;act=ST;f=34;t=26756

J man

Chris,

I wasn’t having a go at anyone, just a bit surprised!!!

I know you wern’t Stringbag…and you’re right it is surprising. Even with a perfectly servicable aircraft there’s still lots to do to get it flying on the civvy side.
Fortunatly there is a permit system in place which allows a proportion of the ‘Military Way’ to be maintained otherwise I doubt anyone would have the time / money to totaly civilianise an ex military.

I’m thinking that perhaps the RAF carried a fair few non critical faults on the Canberra’s towards the end just to keep them flying for the last few months of service and that’s probably why there’s so much outstanding now which would need to be tackled before they go anywhere.

I wonder how much work is on the PR9’s down at Kemble? Probably a similar senario to the T4.

Regards
Chris

Finally we actually see the thread kicking off properly with questions and proper answers.

Anyhow part of the reason I dont post much here anymore is exactly what happened at the start of the post. funny answers to a simple question or dont we do decent answers anymore.

I thought I had answered all his questions okay?:confused:
Alan.
Ps ,If anyone is wondering if Chris is qualified to answer the question about the T4, can I suggest you read my article here.www.airsceneuk.org.uk. See ‘self preservation society’.
Cheers, Alan

Chris,

I wasn’t having a go at anyone, just a bit surprised!!!

Canberra WJ874/VN799 was only overhauled during the winter of 2004/05 by FR Aviation at Bournemouth!!!

Unfortunately, there’s often a difference to what’s acceptable to fly for ‘operational’ reasons in the military to what’s acceptable in civvy world. A good deal of the large maintenence items are termed ‘out of phase’ as they don’t necessarily fall in line with the scheduled maintenance and they can be lifed on Flying hours / engine running hours ect ect. It’s quite feasable that component lives can expire even a short time after a scheduled maintenance and also that minor faults may have been defered until a more convinient servicing opportunity.
I think this is the case with VN799 / WJ874 as, even in 2004/5, she was quite close to stand down, and, as Tom (Atlantic 1) was saying, she needs a lot of work to satisfy Civvy regulations now.

Hope that helps.

Regards all
Chris

Clearly people don’t have a sense of humour here any more, which is part of the reason why I don’t post much any more, particularly about the small contribution I make to the preservation scene as it would most likely be seen as wasting bandwidth.

People who shout loudest get heard first Chris, you know what you do, I know what you do, I know what I do, you know what I do! we havent got time to score cheap and easy points off people ‘in cyberspace’..dont let it bother you!

My current quandry is whether to fit a .30cal in the cowling and in the wing of the Six, both, or not at all…problems problems…;)

TTFN

TT

G-ARHW – We now own this Dove and it will be returned to flight shortly.

Tom.

Ahh, So the Dove will be above, can it be called?:D

Clearly people don’t have a sense of humour here any more, which is part of the reason why I don’t post much any more, particularly about the small contribution I make to the preservation scene as it would most likely be seen as wasting bandwidth.

It’s a shame you feel driven to the margins when you’re one of the people who actually is quite heavily involved in vintage aviation.

It really sucks when people just put any old crap on the forum instead of answering the post.

Anyhow part of the reason I dont post much here anymore is exactly what happened at the start of the post. funny answers to a simple question or dont we do decent answers anymore.

Clearly people don’t have a sense of humour here any more, which is part of the reason why I don’t post much any more, particularly about the small contribution I make to the preservation scene as it would most likely be seen as wasting bandwidth.

I just wanted to see the view…sob…sob It sounded quite nice…sob…sob

Cking

For example.

an aircraft has a permit to fly but has an urgent technical problem that requires fixing.

A) the aircraft is still on the online register as permit to fly.

B) the technical problem quite clearly grounds the aircraft until it is fixed. ie NOT airworthy.

so in effect the aircraft is on the register as permit to fly but is not airworthy.

so searching the online documents really doesnt mean much (in this case) unless the are maintained in real time which I know they are not.

Finally we actually see the thread kicking off properly with questions and proper answers.

It really sucks when people just put any old crap on the forum instead of answering the post.

Well don to the guys who put helpful post up like look up the website and look up g-info and why not phone the company and ask which all seem like reasonable answers.

But is really asking the owner of the aircraft which aircraft are airworthy really the best possible use of his time. And by about the tenth phone call to ask exactly the same question he is going to be really pleased isnt he.

And btw G-Info only lets you know when the CofA expiry is or the permit to fly depending on what scheme you are on but it does NOT say if an aircraft is airworthy or not.

There are plenty aircraft on the register not airworthy but still have a permit to fly.

Anyhow part of the reason I dont post much here anymore is exactly what happened at the start of the post. funny answers to a simple question or dont we do decent answers anymore.

We are hoping to ferry SDEV up to Coventry in the near future. Once all the major winter maintenance is out of the way, the engineers will have time to get her back into airworthy condition.

Tom.

G-ARHW – We now own this Dove and it will be returned to flight shortly.

Tom.

Can I enquire what the latest is with the Sea Devon Tom?

As for VN799/G-CDSX, it could be some time before she flys again. Practically everything that could expire, expired on the day the RAF delivered it to us so it needs a great deal of work to make her airworthy and we have other priorities at the moment.

Canberra WJ874/VN799 was only overhauled during the winter of 2004/05 by FR Aviation at Bournemouth!!!

wasnt WT711 sold??

Yes, to Retro Aviation, the same people that bought G-CONV.

As for VN799/G-CDSX, it could be some time before she flys again. Practically everything that could expire, expired on the day the RAF delivered it to us so it needs a great deal of work to make her airworthy and we have other priorities at the moment.

G-ARHW – We now own this Dove and it will be returned to flight shortly.

Tom.

Rob, the trouble is that the poster’s got just as much idea of the answer as anyone else and has the nouse to find the information. One might question why there’s a need to list serials but not bother looking them up on a well-known database….. or is the forum supposed to do all of BlueRobin’s homework for him?

Rob, you’ve not been taking many prisoners lately 🙂

wasnt WT711 sold??

Rob, the trouble is that the poster’s got just as much idea of the answer as anyone else and has the nouse to find the information. One might question why there’s a need to list serials but not bother looking them up on a well-known database….. or is the forum supposed to do all of BlueRobin’s homework for him?

Without wishing to stir up trouble could it be the the person who started this thread wanted to discuss the said aircraft and the situation with regards to them flying, rather than just reading info from a website or G-info.

The point of an “historic aviation” forum is to talk about historic aviation / historic aircraft so why all this silliness, I would have hoped everyone was way beyond that these days.

Anyway getting back to the original point does anyone know how long it may be until Canberra VN799 fly’s ?

Regarding Hunter WT711 I don’t think it will be made airworthy however Classic Flight do have a Hunter at Kemble being worked on by Delta Jets that might fly at some point.