By: Spitfire Pilot - 15th February 2006 at 17:03
or women that show any hint of flesh. :p
OH GOD NO!!!!!!! 😮 😮 😮 What would I look at all day long if that happened 🙁 🙁 🙁 Mark 😀 😀 😀
By: Arabella-Cox - 11th February 2006 at 19:15
Err Musahi that wasn’t sarcasm..Nearly all allied Muslim states have warned GB about Hizb ur Tahrir. And yet they are allowed to operate with full impunity out of Britian. Your government needs to pull a plug on them and fast.
Sorry for the misunderstanding 🙂
Well isn’t that the irony? When we’re criticising people for their views it’s often denounced as an attack on free speech, etc but when we leave people alone we’re called too soft.
However it is very true that the government and security forces have been too lax in fearing a negative response. Labour wanted to be a “cute-cuddly” party after 1997, so I think there was a lot of pressure to leave people alone if they weren’t “causing trouble”. And unfortunately they’ve indoctrinated the Police so much that it’s too late to spin around and demand they take action all the time. Indeed is the gov still trying to stop generating negative PR by not dealing with the issue? There seems to be some bizzare obsession with “keeping Muslims happy” to hang on to certain seats – it does boggle the imagination. The recent law on inciting religious hatred was an example, a completely unnecessary and pointless piece of legislation (before it was ammended by the Lords) as it was.
By: kursed - 11th February 2006 at 15:41
Err Musahi that wasn’t sarcasm..Nearly all allied Muslim states have warned GB about Hizb ur Tahrir. And yet they are allowed to operate with full impunity out of Britian. Your government needs to pull a plug on them and fast.
By: Arabella-Cox - 11th February 2006 at 11:00
And while you are at it, why not ban the Hizb ur Tahrir people as well and deport em all?
Ok then, let’s just give in and turn Britain into a Sharia-law country. We can have a special Police force to beat whoever doesn’t get to the mosque in time, or women that show any hint of flesh. :p
By: kursed - 10th February 2006 at 20:07
Means of violence to defend oneself mind you. How exactly does that make Islam a religion of war ???
By: SOC - 10th February 2006 at 18:56
Of course it’s not. The fault lies with those who are distorting the religion. I just don’t think you can honestly say that Islam is a religion of peace with all of the different examples pertaining to inciting or condoning violence in some form or another. Does that make all Muslims violent, or mean all Muslims are terrorists? Of course it doesn’t.
By: kursed - 10th February 2006 at 08:27
There are more than enough instructions in it to not to make a terrorist out of each of the billion over followers of Islam. If you choose to believe a stereotypical, xenophobic and warped view of Islam its not Islam’s or Muslims’ fault now is it?
By: SOC - 10th February 2006 at 07:48
The point is not necessarily that the Koran, and therefore it’s readers, are violent; the point is that there is certainly enough fodder in there for the extremists to encourage violence. At any rate, as you can see, in certain cases the Koran does certainly promote violence. Not that any other religion is 100% peaceful either, of course.
By: kursed - 10th February 2006 at 07:37
Typical SOC 🙂 taking a few selected verses from the Qur’an and misquoting them to perpetuate the myth that Islam promotes violence, and exhorts its followers to kill those outside the pale of Islam.
9:5 Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
In order to understand the context, we need to read from verse 1 of this surah. It says that there was a peace treaty between the Muslims and the Mushriqs (pagans) of Makkah. This treaty was violated by the Mushriqs of Makkah. A period of four months was given to the Mushriqs of Makkah to make amends. Otherwise war would be declared against them. This verse is quoted during a battle. And if you were kind enough to read the very next verse you’d have known better.
“If one amongst the pagans ask thee for asylum,grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah; and then escort him to where he can be secure that is because they are men without knowledge.”
[Al-Qur’an 9:6]
The first verse quoted is about the apostates who were conspiring against the religion during Muhammad (PBUH)’ time. And then again if you cared just enough to read the very next verse.
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Y: Except those who join a group between whom and you there is a treaty (of peace), or those who approach you with hearts restraining them from fighting you as well as fighting their own people. If Allah had pleased, He could have given them power over you, and they would have fought you: Therefore if they withdraw from you but fight you not, and (instead) send you (Guarantees of) peace, then Allah Hath opened no way for you (to war against them).
Islam does not force people to embrace Islam and recognizes their freedom to choose their own faith. This freedom is stressed in the following Qur’anic verses: [Let there be no compulsion in religion: truth stands out clear from error] (Al-Baqarah 2:256) and [Wilt thou (Muhammad) then compel mankind, against their will, to believe!] (Yunus 10:99).
By: SOC - 10th February 2006 at 06:53
All religion preaches peace to your fellow men ,Islam especially.
Oh really?
“4:89 They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them”
“9:5 Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. “
“9:123 O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you,, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him). “
By: Deano - 10th February 2006 at 06:39
Deano, he probably will be deported after his term is up – the Yanks will probably want their turn for one thing. And I support kicking him out, regardless of where he goes.
I second that Musashi, I couldn’t give a monkeys if he ended up on the moon, if the yanks want him good riddence, put him in a boat along with the rest of the cr@p that’s left in this country as well and set sail for rough seas
By: DazDaMan - 9th February 2006 at 23:14
Arrrrrr! 😉
By: escuincle - 9th February 2006 at 18:54
A pirate I was meant to be, trim the sails and roam the seas!
By: Arabella-Cox - 9th February 2006 at 18:45
Abu Hamza has just been sentenced to 7 years in the slammer. What are your thoughts…….
I think he thought he was invincible because he was able to bully lots of people with his “militia” for years. He wasn’t planning on being a “martyr” – he probably thought he could get away with it because he was Muslim.
Deano, he probably will be deported after his term is up – the Yanks will probably want their turn for one thing. And I support kicking him out, regardless of where he goes.
By: laviticus - 9th February 2006 at 12:20
In the spirit of ‘political correctness’ I wish to point out that my talk of a slow and painful death, as far as I am concerned, refers to all religious, murderous, trouble making, biggoted, zealots whether they are Protestant, Catholic, Muslim, Jewish, Sikh, Hindu or any other nomination that exists. Isn’t religion supposed to preach peace amongst mankind, as far as I’m concerned religion has caused more conflicts than any other reason going, after all, it does cross over into political issues as well, therefore you can stuff it, I was spoon fed religion when I was a kid, and it’s never done me, or anyone I know, any favours, quite the reverse in fact, I nearly walked out of my fathers funeral service last year due to the appalling rubbish that was spoken by the ‘preacher’, I only stayed because I had an image of the old man laughing his socks off at the ambiguity of it all.
All religion preaches peace to your fellow men ,Islam especially. I agree religion has killed more humans than disease and pestilence put together,but this is only because people do these things in the name of their religion.Dont forget many millions of people co exist peacefully with different religions and a few who interpret their teachings to mean something other than its true meaning are a fact of the human nature to read further than the text.
I too was spoon fed my religious back ground IE church school,sunday school,cub scout movement ect ect.But i don’t carry any religious scars i took all the teachings as a guide as how to live my life and nothing else.
By: Spitfire Pilot - 8th February 2006 at 17:21
It doesn’t. The Muslim faith in general leans towards the peaceful side of things. You’ll find an equal number of Muslims condemn his actions, too.
I know…………I have one hell of a lot of respect for foreign people (exept for Terrorists) and it isn’t fair that people like Abu Hamza go around giving them a bad name 😡
By: Pete Truman - 8th February 2006 at 14:30
In the spirit of ‘political correctness’ I wish to point out that my talk of a slow and painful death, as far as I am concerned, refers to all religious, murderous, trouble making, biggoted, zealots whether they are Protestant, Catholic, Muslim, Jewish, Sikh, Hindu or any other nomination that exists. Isn’t religion supposed to preach peace amongst mankind, as far as I’m concerned religion has caused more conflicts than any other reason going, after all, it does cross over into political issues as well, therefore you can stuff it, I was spoon fed religion when I was a kid, and it’s never done me, or anyone I know, any favours, quite the reverse in fact, I nearly walked out of my fathers funeral service last year due to the appalling rubbish that was spoken by the ‘preacher’, I only stayed because I had an image of the old man laughing his socks off at the ambiguity of it all.
By: kursed - 8th February 2006 at 13:03
And while you are at it, why not ban the Hizb ur Tahrir people as well and deport em all?
By: DazDaMan - 8th February 2006 at 13:01
I’m sorry but as far as I am concerned America is welcome to have him. I, for one, stand by my initial feelings that I am not personally willing to pay his prison fees 😡
I want my taxes to be for the good of the British people, not to have people like Abu Hamza (Terrorists I mean – not Muslims) live a life of luxury!!!!!!!!!!!
Where, in any religion, does it state that it is the duty of all it’s followers to kill as many western people as possible, like he makes out!!!!!!!!!!
I agree with you Irwan.
It doesn’t. The Muslim faith in general leans towards the peaceful side of things. You’ll find an equal number of Muslims condemn his actions, too.
By: Spitfire Pilot - 8th February 2006 at 12:54
It sounds to me like he should have been deported a long time ago! Or maybe extradited to the US where, like someone said above, he could face the death penalty!
I’m sorry but as far as I am concerned America is welcome to have him. I, for one, stand by my initial feelings that I am not personally willing to pay his prison fees 😡
I want my taxes to be for the good of the British people, not to have people like Abu Hamza (Terrorists I mean – not Muslims) live a life of luxury!!!!!!!!!!!
Where, in any religion, does it state that it is the duty of all it’s followers to kill as many western people as possible, like he makes out!!!!!!!!!!
I agree with you Irwan.
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