December 29, 2018 at 7:57 pm
I know this is not a typical topic for this forum! Our club sold a Scheibe SF 27 glider many years ago to a person in Germany. Later on, it was sold to Great Britain. Is it possible to find out the actual registration, or the the actual owner of the aircraft? The former registration was D-6068. I would be very happy, if somebody could help me. Thank you very much in advance.
By: heli1 - 2nd January 2019 at 16:34
Thanks ericmunk…I realise my enquiry is a long shot but just hopeful….
By: ericmunk - 1st January 2019 at 21:35
Heli1: Slingsby T.8 Tutors are notoriously difficult to tie in to their serial numbers from back when they were Slingsby T.7 Cadet’s. In effect the conversion meant fitting the fuselage with new (wider) wings and stabilizer plus rudder (by heart), the old ones then were later on all used to create the T.38 using a newly built fuselage and some minor mods.
By: viscount - 1st January 2019 at 15:08
Now that “Pulsar-XP” is a far better result than I ever thought possible – for a previous owner to be a member of this forum to recognise the aircraft as having been in his care, within only a couple of hours of the British identities being established. Great result.
By: Pulsar-xp - 31st December 2018 at 00:00
Thank you very much, also if that are not good news for the old lady. I had so many nice flights with her between 1981 and 1985.
By: Fournier Boy - 30th December 2018 at 23:40
I should have seen this earlier. I owned FUF for a while, having bought it from East Sussex Gliding Club. The glider was unairworthy and required a lot of remedial work. The club robbed it of parts and I took on the remains, mostly as I was going to use the wings to repair another SF27. As it was the wings were so individually built, they wouldn’t fit the other fuselage, which left me with an SF27 I didn’t want and another SF that needed fixing.
I had a young lad working for me at the time, so when he flew solo I gave him FUF in what must have been 2011. He started working on it, but as things were, he got distracted, so it ended up back in a trailer again.
The young lad intent on college sold it to Mr Savage I think around 2012, who I am glad to see is still the owner. I last heard from him in around 2015 and I now it was still going undergoing work then. However from GINFO as it has a “declaration of no flight” and with no CAMO reference in place, it is plainly not airworthy and therefore must still be under restoration.
FB
By: heli1 - 30th December 2018 at 16:34
Viscount….here’s a new challenge. Did Slingsby Tutor MK.8 BGA1759/RAFGSA 178 have an earlier identity with an RAF serial number,possibly in the VM600 series?
I know it originated as a Tutor T.7 Cadet MK.1 with the RAF prior to transfer in September 1955 to the RAF GSA when it was converted to a T.8 It’s later history is known and it is now displayed at Weston-super-Mare in the local Airfield history exhibition….but just have that serial puzzle…
By: Pulsar-xp - 30th December 2018 at 15:04
Thank you very much for your valuable informations Viscount! I also sent a PM.
Best regards,
Peter
By: Pulsar-xp - 29th December 2018 at 21:51
The aircraft was built 1967.
By: Pulsar-xp - 29th December 2018 at 21:19
Thank you very much for your help! The registration was D-6068. The serial number and year of construction are not known. The year of change must be later than 1985.
By: viscount - 29th December 2018 at 21:15
I have had a ‘dig’ around various ‘paper’ sources, but with no result so far. A point of clarification, is it former registration D-6068 or c/no 6068? Asking because confusingly I find that Scheibe werke no. 6068 is a 1967 built Scheibe SF-27! Any idea of the year that the moves between countries took place? I have a good book listing British all BGA registration numbers upto mid 1980, but cannot spot either ex D-6068, or werke no 6068 in the listings. Also cannot spot either c/no. 6068 or a glider formerly D-6068 in a list of current BGA gliders published early 1986. As my glider registration information sources fade out in the mid ’80s I think I have reached as far as I can go on the information provided in the OP of this thread.
In reply to ‘ex-Brat’ the three SF-27s listed on G-INFO as de-registered are all SF-27M ie motor gliders, the OP clearly states ‘glider’ (not ‘self launching glider’) so would be a SF-27A or SF.25B. Fairly certain that a late 1960s build glider currently only requires registration with the BGA, and do not require a full CAA G- registration, so will not appear on G-INFO (an error on my part).
Added on ‘Edit’: HAVE FOUND IT !
In a list of current BGA (British Gliding Association) glider numbers, correct to early 2003:
BGA.3531, fixed tail tri-graph registration (worn) ‘FUF’. Construction number 6089 (so was built 1967), formerly D-6068. A Scheibe SF-27A Zugvogel V
UK BGA first registration date 30.09.89. In 2003 owned by the East Sussex GC, based at Ringmer, with an annual C of A due to expire 15.05.03 (so still airworthy at that time)
My apologies for questioning the registration, as you can see the German registration and werke number do prove to be confusingly similar! Anyhow, you now have the answer to the British registration number and identity tri-graph letters to work on, and the owner in 2003.
I don’t often get the opportunity to use my field of expertise on ‘Flypast’ forum, usually just admiring those who do know where to look for obscure information. So thanks for a challenge which I can contribute to – while I don’t have fully upto date information (yet) at least I am well on the way to an answer for “Pulsar-XL”.
My references: British Gliders, P.H.Butler. Merseyside Aviation Society, 3rd Ed 1980.
United Kingdom and Ireland Civil Registers 1986, Ed Malcolm Fillmore, Air Britain(Historians)Ltd. 1985
Civil Aircraft Registers of United Kingdom & Ireland 2003, Ed Barrie Womersley. Air-Britain Publication. 2003.
Entry updated on ‘Edit’: THERE IS MORE !
On a whim, looked up main G- sequence register for ‘FUF’ as many glider owners on needing a full registration simply used the next available in sequence marks featuring their ‘tri-graph’ tail letters. Immediately found that BGA.3531/FUF is now also G-DFUF, registered as such August 2014 to R.Savage with an address in Hampshire and that the aircraft registration marks are current – so it looks as though ‘your’ SF-27A is still potentially airworthy and active at an age of 51 years (CAA confirm the 1967 build date). If “Pulsar-XL” wishes to contact the current owner then the address is ‘public access’ provided on the CAA G-INFO website. A quick ‘Google’ does not locate any photo on the web though.
By: G-ASEA - 29th December 2018 at 21:06
You may find if you ask the question on Facebook, Vintage Glider Club. Some one may be able to help.
Dave