Adam Air jet missing (Boeing 734)

I also think it’s absouletly ridiculous that they haven’t found the aircraft yet! 😡

nothing ridiculous about it…
the plane ruins is not found in the place they should be..
usually in sea crash there were a lot of thing floating, dead or alive, but in this incident there is NO trace at all, no shoes, no dead corpse, no usual floating debriz, no rubber boat as if the plane just diving and sinking as it is….

also since the navy only have Nomad crap and very few more advanced CN-212-MPA well they are not very ideal property to look 4 sinking plane. Only after a few parchim come we have hopes to find it (in case it sunk in the sea)

Concerning Adam Air, last year 16 pilot tried to quit the company saying the plane is not maintained properly and navigation system is often dead in the air. Adam Air sue them all

There are now reports of floating debris being found 300 meters from a beach. Including what looks like part of the tail plane and bits of life vest and seating.

( Although i do have a 42 year old vintage Ford Mustang sitting in my garage gathering dust )

I am sorry not a very appropriate thread… but SACRILAGE STEVE!!!!!!!!! 😡

If it had the proper paperwork to back it up and show it was looked after, then yes.

I wouldn’t dream of buying a 20 year old car but i’d love a 20 year old girlfriend…go figure???
( Although i do have a 42 year old vintage Ford Mustang sitting in my garage gathering dust )

I think the same report suggested the debris was supposed to be 14,000 ft on the sea bed.

Condolances to the families of the lost.

Debris is now reported to be at 6500 feet below and the US ship should be able to report on its identity about 3.00 p.m. GMT.

Would you buy a car that had eight previous owners

If it had the proper paperwork to back it up and show it was looked after, then yes.

I don’t think it really matters how old the aircraft is. If you luck after the aircraft properly then they could last alot longer probably. Unfortuently alot of low-co’s in places like Indonesia do there best to make a profit.

I also think it’s absouletly ridiculous that they haven’t found the aircraft yet! 😡

Would you buy a car that had eight previous owners

Reports today from CNN are that the Indonesian Navy may have found the plane in the sea. They are waiting for the arrival of a U.S. ship on Tuesday with special underwater equipment to positively identify the contact.

I think the same report suggested the debris was supposed to be 14,000 ft on the sea bed.

Condolances to the families of the lost.

Plane found?

Reports today from CNN are that the Indonesian Navy may have found the plane in the sea. They are waiting for the arrival of a U.S. ship on Tuesday with special underwater equipment to positively identify the contact.

For anyone interested in this, there is (for once) an excellent thread on a-net about the disappearance, which links also to an older thread (pre-disappearance) giving harrowing accounts of Adam Air and the Indonesian aviation industry. A frightening and thought provoking read.

News site www.detik.com pointed to what many see as a major failing in Indonesia’s deregulated budget airline market, revealing Adam Air was the eighth owner of the 20-year-old Boeing 737-400.

I don’t think it really matters how old the aircraft is. If you luck after the aircraft properly then they could last alot longer probably. Unfortuently alot of low-co’s in places like Indonesia do there best to make a profit.

I also think it’s absouletly ridiculous that they haven’t found the aircraft yet! 😡

Why is the number of owners relevant to this disappearance?
Why would that even be an issue?
Why is it a failing?

I think that website is trying to use this tragedy as a way to prove an opinion.

News site www.detik.com pointed to what many see as a major failing in Indonesia’s deregulated budget airline market, revealing Adam Air was the eighth owner of the 20-year-old Boeing 737-400.

Wow. Such a sad story that will most likely have a very sad ending! 🙁

Poor family and relatives of the passengers and crew!!

The coordinates for ELT positioning (030 13’92” S 1190 09’17” E) given in the Adam Air site (after you correct the end zeroes which apparently are meant to represent degree signs) point to a location which matches the first reports about a wreckage location 20 km from Polewali.

This is on the west slope of mountain Bulu Kananmanu (grid 50MQM4643) between Sabura and Suprakit and at elevation of about 1,950 ft above MSL.

Also, the same Adam Air bulletin gives mention of

Singapore Satellite Detection Signal

which probably means the COSPAS/SARSAT ground station (LUT) in Singapore. This should mean a reception of an ELT signal which supports 20 km accuracy and the search should have yielded results by now.

However, this later article contradicts any possible interpretation of the location information from Adam Air, giving the ELT signal location as

Bambang Karnoyudho, head of the National Search and Rescue Board, told MetroTV Tuesday.

He said the last signal detected by a Singapore satellite indicated the plane was in the water 30 kilometres northwest of Makassar, the capital of South Sulawesi province.

That would put the location in grid 50MQK45 in this map.

However, then there is this report (reputedly from an airliner pilot from the area) about the latest radar contact at 100 nm, 340°, I presume from WAAA, which would put it squarely at Bulu Kananmanu.

Also had it gone to sea “30 kilometres northwest of Makassar” according to the ELT location claimed by Bambang Karnoyudho, it would have still been with good radar coverage which contradicts the information from “PK-KAR”.

I wonder how it is possible even in the “local conditions of confusion” that they have either mistaken the emergency beacon activation from PK-KKW with something else, confused with the location of the correct signal for about 200 km (between the initial accounts of the search in the mountains and the new accounts of a search in the Makassar Strait) and in any case failed yet to locate the transmitter after 40 hours.

Mix up, Aircraft Not Yet Located

This makes things even worse, can you imagine getting your hopes up that a relative may still be alive, inly to find this out….

Indonesia admits missing 737 has not been found
David Kaminski-Morrow (02Jan07, 13:44 GMT, 212 words)

Indonesia’s efforts to locate an Adam Air Boeing 737-400 which vanished during a domestic flight yesterday have taken a chaotic turn after the carrier disclosed that rescuers had not, contrary to an earlier confirmation, found the wreck of the missing aircraft.

The bizarre development followed the airline’s disclosure that wreckage from the twin-jet had been located in a mountainous region near Rangoan in the west of the Indonesian island of Sulawesi, which itself came after reports citing Government spokesmen said the wreckage had been found.

Flight KI574 had been operating between Surabaya and Manabo. It failed to arrive at its destination, prompting a search and rescue operation by Indonesian authorities.

Adam Air has relayed a public apology from the Indonesian transport minister for the fiasco and admits that its aircraft has “not yet been found”. The extraordinary twist follows earlier unconfirmed indications that there were survivors among the 102 passengers and crew on board.

The reason for the confusion is not clear although Adam Air stated, after disclosing the details of the apparent wreckage location, that communication links between the search teams and their command centre were poor.

There is no further firm information regarding the whereabouts of the aircraft, contact with which was lost about an hour after it departed Surabaya.

Source: Air Transport Intelligence news

Amazingly there are ten survivors in this mountainous region.:)

There seems to have been quite a few in this region over a number of years

Not a good start to the year indeed. It seems that safety standards in that part of the world are not good.

It feels strange to think of the amount of flying I have done on this aircraft during my time with DA and BA. Somehow makes it much more real.

Very sad, as of course are all such events.

1L.

There is a report that wreckage has been found and a distress signal was issued. If the reported registration is correct, PK-KKW, this plane was ex Dan Air, B.A. and GB Airways. Not a good start to the year.:(