AESA radars

Cont. from the chinese pirated…thread ..

And BARS is exported with deep License in 90s. No country give export license to top end stuff. US wont even give source codes for Export AESA let alone TOT untill this point. Thats why i put example of much better PESA tech with OSA. u dont get this point untill now.
It is all about Size vs capability. PESA is suitable from small to large fighter and will remain so for next decade. It was Russia that didnot provide high end PESA technology to China/Iran othewise u would have seen several thousands PESA clones by now. thats the reason Chinese are pursuing AESA tech as PESA is hopless.

You never talked about TOT , simply talked about EXPORT . Please refer to the original quote of yours where you said TOT was an issue .

Just look what Thales pod is on MKM and why they didnt want IRST with that? Big Speciallized IRST at right place has its own advantages. Strong countries can pick and chose.

Are you infering that a POD mounted FLIR or IRST is going to be different in capability to a Nose mounted one ? Something about the Position on the nose that automatically makes the IRST more capable ? I guess even the F-35 will suffer and so will the F-18E/F since they do not have NOSE mounted because their exists a sweet spot on the NOSE that increases IRST ranges by 10 folds isnt it ???

Please explain your logic as to why the same IRST if mounted in the belly will be different to if mounted on the NOSE .!!

And explain with evidence , without refering to Russia re negotiating old treaties etc etc

If it was so much better than APG-68(V9) customers would be demanding for long time. It is customer driven environment.

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UAE demanded it , but they have customized version , AESA till date is not available on BLOCK 50 F-16’s HOW hard is this simple fact to understand ? If someone wants AESA on F-16 , they would have to develop a new custom varient much like UAE did and for purchases of 20 , 30 or even 40 aircrafts that is not going to be economical . For MMRCA contract for example for 100 + aircraft it would be good and LMA have pitched in a IAF specific Block 70 aircraft which carries the Apg-80 licenced from UAE along with other components .

PLEASE ALSO CLARIFY – DO YOU SERIOUSLY BELIEVE THAT BECAUSE ONLY 80 OR SO ORDERS FOR THE APG-80 HAS BEEN SO FAR MATERIALIZED THAT IT IS NOT MUCH SUPERIOR TO THE 69V9 ? EVEN THOUGH THE MANUF. (NOT THE MANUF OF THE RADAR BUT THE FIGHTER) SAYS THAT THEY GET 3 TIMES MORE RANGE NOW AND THEIR RANGE FIGURES FOR 1M^2 TARGETS ARE GREATER THEN THE BIGGEST MSA RADAR IN US FIGHTERS??

CAN WE USE THE SAME LOGIC ON THE IRBIS WHICH HAS ZERO ORDERS AS COMPARED TO THE BARS?? (zero is far less then 80)

I believe there is new Greek/Turkish and IDF order is half complete. So plenty of F-16s operator but none is willing to jump on it.

Like i said in the past . IDF NEVER WANTED A US RADAR , they wanted their own developmental radars to be feilded and they also have AESA tech for F-16’s sized aircraft . MOREOVER they really had no option for the APg-80 for obvious reasons . Is this really hard to understand ??? Please some other member rephrase this so that star can understand this more clearly..

TURKEY placed order for Block 50 in 2004 , Block 50 cannot get the Apg-80 as their is avionics suite difference , and computer difference (Fibre optic etc etc) . The SABR as a concept has just been unveiled in 2008 Feb. , it will fly later and might be fully tested and ready to be offered in 2009-2010 timeframe , That is 6 years after the Turkish order was placed . GET MY POINT OR DO YOU NEED FURTHER SIMPLIFICATION FOR THIS ???

constantly putting only AESA articles. u only infers that AESA is the only wayforward but i mentioned there is still one decade to go before AESA overhelms PESA that is based produced in Russia.

TAKE A DEEP BREATH , RELAX AND READ WHAT I SAID –

There are very few folks on this forum that can imply this from what i wrote above ———->

u only infers that AESA is the only wayforward but i mentioned there is still one decade to go before AESA overhelms PESA that is based produced in Russia.

PLEASE READ THE PARA QUOTED BEFORE REPLYING TO IT , AND AFTER YOU REPLY RE-READ WHAT YOU HAVE WRITTEN AND SEE IF IT MAKES ANY SENCE WHEN COMPARED TO THE PARA YOU HAVE QUOTED . Conversation would be so much more plesant that way.

OH YEAH I AM STILL WAITING FOR YOU TO POINT OUT TO THE EXACT QUOTE OF MINE WHERE I SAID PESA WAS DEAD , PLEASE DO SO .

well they bought the aircraft for bomb hauling ability. There isnothing preventig them from upgrading F-16s. and F-15 i believe even have crashed so no safety even for twin engine fighter considering the small order.

Please provide Evidence that SK only looked at BOMB HAULING CAPABILITY and not total A2A and A2G package as most WISE forces would look @ from their premium multi role fighter.

certianly didnot give sources codes and licenses when BARS were exported. and i doubt US will give source codes or license for radar comparable to IRBIS.

US needend give source codes , they still sell plently of Defence tech even without that.