September 23, 2006 at 11:03 pm
Afghan disgrace
Whatβs going on is a bloody disgrace. I hate it, hate it when all we hear from Browne and co. is “we are giving our forces what they need” “Our forces are not overstretched”
This govt says it wants to stand up for freedom and democracy, it says it is dedicated to our armed forces but when it comes down to it, they put saving money before saving lives (lack of fire suppressant foam for hercs for example). They fight wars on the cheap and have cut our forces to bone.
As a previous Thread has stated, the govt is only going to deploy an extra ONE harrier to support our forces. What about deploying Jaguar GR3βs? Oh, sorry, I forgot, they are too busy being βdrawn downβ and sent to the scrap heap, another fine example of govt ignorance.
I feel so sad for those men and women who put THEIR lives on the line for this country and they get treated like dirt by our govt. π‘
I agree with the afghan mission, but there is no point continuing with an undermanned, under-resourced force and attempting to fight the war on the cheap.
You canβt treat a war (after all thatβs what it is) like some kind of game. You either put your full military weight behind it (for the sake of our own forces and the Afghan civilians) or not bother at all. The question is, which is it going to be? π‘
By: landraver - 13th October 2006 at 13:28
yes did mean imigrants but some people say different where i live
By: roscoria - 13th October 2006 at 10:01
A WARNING.
I’d choose A…….The further they are away from me the better (for them I mean!!!!!!) Mark π π π
Adding to that, I would prefer not to engage that enemy. The present situation in Afghanistan and elsewhere, leaves us vulnerable to attack here. Using a little of that missing common sense, and pulling out, might make Britain a safer country, than it is at present. Or we can carry on as we are, and reap the consequences of our actions. I just hope things don’t get out of hand, the future of our country is at stake.
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By: Spitfire Pilot - 10th October 2006 at 12:05
ok here is a question for you all would you
A, have 1 enemy a thousand miles away?
or
B, have a thousand enemies 1 mile away?
I’d choose A…….The further they are away from me the better (for them I mean!!!!!!) Mark π π π
By: megalith - 10th October 2006 at 12:03
Depends on the enemys.
Steve.
By: landraver - 10th October 2006 at 12:02
ok here is a question for you all would you
A, have 1 enemy a thousand miles away?
or
B, have a thousand enemies 1 mile away?
By: jbritchford - 9th October 2006 at 09:30
I must admit that my last response was not a serious suggestion, and I agree with you completely.
By: roscoria - 9th October 2006 at 09:12
Defence strategy.
We could save a whole lot of money by adopting a high-risk stragegy, we move civillians and NATO forces from an area, then nuke it. Bye bye Taliban.
Or we could play safe and get out of there, which do you think is the best option? Going Nuclear is a very dangerous strategy, who knows what it would lead to. The chances of a Nuclear device being planted in this country is a worrying scenario, which is one reason why we need the Army here.
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By: jbritchford - 8th October 2006 at 23:10
We could save a whole lot of money by adopting a high-risk stragegy, we move civillians and NATO forces from an area, then nuke it. Bye bye Taliban.
By: roscoria - 8th October 2006 at 21:07
The way forward…
if you want british troops on our streets here this means declaring martial law wich in this country is ill defined to say the least lets face it when did this government do anything right wich brings me to ask this question- WHAY ARE THEY STILL IN POWER?
NEW LABOUR NEW CHAOS!
Wasn’t one of the TA jobs to guard our vital installations, in the event of a threat to national security. Like it or not there is now a threat to national security, and it will probably get a lot worse. So we need to build up the security, and deal with problems as and when necessary. Why are they still in power? probably because we don’t seem to be able to produce Politicians, that are good leaders anymore. The problems we face these days need 21st century solutions, plain clothes British Army units may be the way forward. This will free up the Police to concentrate on crime.
As we all know the security services are watching possible Terrorists, so lets get the Army to play their role in this also. Bring back our boys, to defend our Country, instead of wasting our resources.
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By: Hurrifan - 8th October 2006 at 19:15
To wage a war on two fronts, I would have thought is rather expensive. Not forgetting other parts of the world, where we also have troops stationed. If only this money was spent on things, that would make Britain a better country to live in. It would be far better to put troops back in this country, to deal with any future terrorist threat here.
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not just expensive but foolish….The Uk doesnt have the manpower or the equipment to sustain such engagements.
Hasnt the UK given up the idea of being an empire? Does Tony the poodle realise that GW, and for that matter most American administrations, have short memories ?
“Special relationship ” ? ….crap! just PR rubbish!
By: Hurrifan - 8th October 2006 at 19:09
well i maybe going to afganistan next year with my TA unit, all i can say is this to tony blair, STOP WASTING MONEY ON IMIGRUNTS! STOP WASTING MONEY ON POLICIES WE DONT WANT! GIVE US THE KIT TO FINISH THE JOB! so we can blow bin laden and his evil henchmen into the stone age, if the afgans arnt with us stay out of the way support your troops write to your mp complain about shortages complain about lack of cash they will answer eventualy
Presuming that Bin Laden is still there? and that he will hang about waiting to be caught?
and not being smart but did you mean immigrants? dont they have a place in Uk society?
and the only way politicians answer is at election time , thats the only occasion they give a damn !
By: Shadow1 - 8th October 2006 at 16:06
Out of curiosity, the British government has deployed how many RAF Harriers into Afghanistan?
My next question would be this. The British Army has some 67 Apaches at their disposal and yet how many of these have been deployed in support of British forces in Afghanistan? Probably not enough of them. What’s the point of buying such technology if you’re only going to deploy them to various airshows throughout the country and across Europe. Send them out to Afghanistan where they will be put to good use.
A friend of mine is currently deployed with British forces in Afghanistan, this is his third tour and as much as I haven’t talked to him often due to his high-operations tempo, he has mentioned that more close air support would be a good thing. He is furious that he hasn’t seen more of Britain’s Apaches and more Harriers operating in their favour.
The Blair government needs to pull their heads out of their a$$ and do something to help those they have sent to their potential deaths!
By: Grey Area - 8th October 2006 at 15:20
They’re still in power because they won the last election.
That’s how parliamentary democracy works……………
By: landraver - 8th October 2006 at 14:01
if you want british troops on our streets here this means declaring martial law wich in this country is ill defined to say the least lets face it when did this government do anything right wich brings me to ask this question- WHAY ARE THEY STILL IN POWER?
NEW LABOUR NEW CHAOS!
By: roscoria - 8th October 2006 at 00:56
well i maybe going to afganistan next year with my TA unit, all i can say is this to tony blair, STOP WASTING MONEY ON IMIGRUNTS! STOP WASTING MONEY ON POLICIES WE DONT WANT! GIVE US THE KIT TO FINISH THE JOB! so we can blow bin laden and his evil henchmen into the stone age, if the afgans arnt with us stay out of the way support your troops write to your mp complain about shortages complain about lack of cash they will answer eventualy
To wage a war on two fronts, I would have thought is rather expensive. Not forgetting other parts of the world, where we also have troops stationed. If only this money was spent on things, that would make Britain a better country to live in. It would be far better to put troops back in this country, to deal with any future terrorist threat here.
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By: landraver - 7th October 2006 at 21:27
well i maybe going to afganistan next year with my TA unit, all i can say is this to tony blair, STOP WASTING MONEY ON IMIGRUNTS! STOP WASTING MONEY ON POLICIES WE DONT WANT! GIVE US THE KIT TO FINISH THE JOB! so we can blow bin laden and his evil henchmen into the stone age, if the afgans arnt with us stay out of the way support your troops write to your mp complain about shortages complain about lack of cash they will answer eventualy
By: Spitfire Pilot - 28th September 2006 at 08:56
It’s like the flies in my living room……….for every one that I shoot with my BB gun, another 2 seem to pop up from no-where π π π Mark π
By: Hurrifan - 28th September 2006 at 00:06
Fact is that it will be very difficult if not impossible to defeat such a well organised partisan organisation who are not fighting for a King,Government or even possibly a country…they are fighting for their GOD!
By: Spitfire Pilot - 27th September 2006 at 15:23
The money goes everywhere except where it should.
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I couldn’t have put it better myself π π π Mark π
By: roscoria - 26th September 2006 at 21:08
That’s true π π π
I wonder where all our taxes go to????????
For instance, tax is deducted from my wages before I even get them, then the bank wants to charge me tax on the money in my account. Then you go out to a shop and buy something which means yet more tax included in the price so in the end I swear that you end up giving the government most of your wages and still the armed forces are not receiving the manpower and equipment they need and what about the NHS, the education system and the emergency services………..they’re also underfunded.
I got a letter from my bank once saying that they wanted me to pay VAT on the money in my account (I think). That’s 17.5% before I even take any money out. If I buy something from the shop again another 17.5% so I’m loosing over a third of my wages on just VAT, that’s without National Insurance, Council Tax, Rent, Electric, Water etc etc etc………
Where on Earth does all that go????????????
The money goes everywhere except where it should.
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