Ahmadinejad – Crazy?

I too heard about the recent elections in Iran.

Looks like Flex and GarryB better get on the campaign trail for Mahmoud and his boys…….he might need some supporters. 🙂

Great, looks like he has riden his hatred-campaign to excess just like Bush. I could not decide which one of these two extremists is worse but Mahmoud at least does not have global reach, therefore being less dangerous.

I definitely love to see such figures slowly passing into history by themselves. I think the world has matured at least a bit since the 40s.

I too heard about the recent elections in Iran.

Looks like Flex and GarryB better get on the campaign trail for Mahmoud and his boys…….he might need some supporters. 🙂

OK, I get the message and yes, you are right. Now let us see what Israelis have to brag about:

Siege on Beirut 1982 – total casulaties 17825, cca 1000 PLO guerillas killed, 10,000-12,000 civilian casualties
Sabra / Shatila massacre : cca 3000 refugess dead; cca 1,600 Palestinians killed since the September 2000;
Siege on Beirut 2006: something over 1000 civilan casualties, roughly one third of them below 15

Hmmm, splendid… Makes the terrorists look like a bunch of amateurs.

Just because this thread is about holocaust deniers doesn’t mean
that you can denay the massacres against Arabs like the 20,000 Arabs
murdered by the Assad’s in Hama, Syria or the 100,000 murdered in Algeria
by different factions, or the massacres and rapes in Sudan taking place
right now against black muslims by the Arab militias, or the brutal murders
taking place in Iraq by fellow Arabs. You failure to mention those crimes
suggests that Arab lives are worthless if they were murdered by fellow Arabs.
BTW the Sabra and Shatila killers were also Arabs who acted after their
comminities were massacred by Palestinian Arabs i.e. Damour massacre.
Who will remember those victims and who will seeks justice for them?

hey gaiz

looks like he’s not so popular afterall with this past election
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061221/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iran_elections

Irving. Quite correct. But I have a hangover today you see, so the mistake was one of my smaller ones today.;)

On a more serious note and related to the topic, David Irvine, the historian, won his appeal today in Austria and is now a free man.

David Irving, not Irvine. I haven’t read what the guy has written but the fact remains that any person being arrested for something he/she might have written or said as personal opinion is a violation of basic human rights. I might sympathize with Jews, apartheid, communists, US rightwingers, Massai hunters or penguins, it is my personal choice and I don’t see anyone who has right to punish me for that.

On a more serious note and related to the topic, David Irvine, the historian, won his appeal today in Austria and is now a free man.

… by Iranian standards.. 😉

Ahmadinejad the playboy!:eek: Bill Clinton and him should swap notes on their various conquests;)

😀 Sounds like you need some of what he’s getting:D Does that mean if I wear a suit and allow women to accompany me in public, I’m a perverted womanizer?:);)

… by Iranian standards.. 😉

yeap, there’s something called books, history, and research.. things unknown to many people 🙂

of course, very few have noticed that Ahmadinejad is very different from past presidents.. he does not wear the traditional Shi’ite garb like Khatami and Rafsanjani did. He does not maintain the same beard. his snug clean cut, preferences for a suit and jacket sans the tie, and his willingness to allow women in the stadium reflect the nature of a perverted womanizer (by Iranian standards).

😀 Sounds like you need some of what he’s getting:D Does that mean if I wear a suit and allow women to accompany me in public, I’m a perverted womanizer?:);)

….and you would know all about what suffering from STD’s does to the human brain, wouldn’t you?

yeap, there’s something called books, history, and research.. things unknown to many people 🙂

of course, very few have noticed that Ahmadinejad is very different from past presidents.. he does not wear the traditional Shi’ite garb like Khatami and Rafsanjani did. He does not maintain the same beard. his snug clean cut, preferences for a suit and jacket sans the tie, and his willingness to allow women in the stadium reflect the nature of a perverted womanizer (by Iranian standards).

Whose story are you buying?

Unimportant..

If you buy the excuse that things done by Isreal is a valid reason to kill thousands of innocent non-Isrealis around the word…I’d say you’re open to any crackpot theory.

Israel is hardly a common reason. Those demonizing theories about global terrorist network of Al Qaeda aimed at destruction of Jews and Westeners and nothing else are laughable at best. There are dozens of extremists who are doing the things for the most unbelievable reasons – often of personal nature. Hiding behind a common idea is just a tool to make themselves look more important than they really are.

I agree that trying to pi## off the world doesn’t make a lot of sense..if you buy the whole Palestinian reaction excuse. Maybe they’re just Pi##ed at the entire Western world.

If you were born as a Palestinian child, you’d probably be pi$$ed off, too. Were you born as a Brit? Consider yourself very lucky.

I’m sure the familes of those killed on the London tube or on holiday at a disco don’t buy the excuse.

If you go down to the families of killed, you will never find anyone who is buying ANY excuse, be it Palestinian, Israeli, Spanish, Brit or American.

Why? Who knows? Logic doesn’t seem to a necessary job requirement for these guys.

These guys? Who do you mean now? There is a big difference between a killer and mastermind.

Believe me, all those things happen on purpose and for a very specific and well-thought reason. Just because you cannot see behind the scenes, it does not automatically mean there is no logic in there.

Is he crazy? Maybe.
Is he delluded? Certainly.

:rolleyes: Jetliners? Ask CIA.. I am not buyin the official story.

Whose story are you buying?

If you buy the excuse that things done by Isreal is a valid reason to kill thousands of innocent non-Isrealis around the word…I’d say you’re open to any crackpot theory.

I agree that trying to pi## off the world doesn’t make a lot of sense..if you buy the whole Palestinian reaction excuse. Maybe they’re just Pi##ed at the entire Western world. I’m sure the familes of those killed on the London tube or on holiday at a disco don’t buy the excuse.
Why?
Who knows? Logic doesn’t seem to a necessary job requirement for these guys.

No but they can plan the hijacking of 4 jetliners these guys aren’t stupid or broke. Why not blow up a bus in Isreal instead of London?

:rolleyes: Jetliners? Ask CIA.. I am not buyin the official story.

IMHO: It has little do to with Isreal, they just want to pi## off the world.

Bravo Sierra. To pi$$ off the world? What kind of stupid reason would be that? Who’d be willing to support or finance such idiotic operation?

No, you’re not defending them,[/B] :rolleyes: [B]you’re just making excuses.

Neither defending, nor making excuses. I am explaining.

Not that hard to imagine. Generally, because no Arab organization has equipment to effectively bomb Tel Aviv.

No but they can plan the hijacking of 4 jetliners these guys aren’t stupid or broke. Why not blow up a bus in Isreal instead of London?
IMHO: It has little do to with Isreal, they just want to pi## off the world.

Nothing like that is okay. I am not defending either side. But the fact remains that Israeli peace-time actions have ended lives of two-three times larger number of civilians than all terrorist attacks counted together

No, you’re not defending them, :rolleyes: you’re just making excuses.

maybe not crazy as in sane crazy but like Hitler and a few other infamous charasmatic leaders.. him suffering from STDs has led towards some odd phrases coming out of his mouth.

….and you would know all about what suffering from STD’s does to the human brain, wouldn’t you?

The reason, as Gary stated above, why the Iranians refused the nuclear deal, was that the West (read Britain and US) would have retained the use of fuel supply as a stick. No sane (:D ) country would allow something so strategically vital to be controlled by countries that routinely refer to them as “evil”

If they wanted to punish the Israelis…why not bomb Tel Aviv? Why a nightclub in Bali?

Not that hard to imagine. Generally, because no Arab organization has equipment to effectively bomb Tel Aviv.

It sounds like your argumnent is the ends justify the means…and if that means killing London school children, that’s okay? [/B]

Nothing like that is okay. I am not defending either side. But the fact remains that Israeli peace-time actions have ended lives of two-three times larger number of civilians than all terrorist attacks counted together (no exact figures available here, sorry). Why is there so much effort to paint Israelis as innocent victims is beyond me.

The best solution for the crisis of Middle East is not to intervene at all. Stop all support for either side and let the guys do what they want, as long as they keep it within the borders of their region.

maybe not crazy as in sane crazy but like Hitler and a few other infamous charasmatic leaders.. him suffering from STDs has led towards some odd phrases coming out of his mouth.

The generation that actually has the right to speak about and judge the events that occurred during WWII are not members of this forum. They rendered their judgment based on the evidence of the time and that is good enough for me.

Which generation is that? I thought that generation fought so subsequent generations had the right to speak and think for themselves… but then that is BS too. The Germans fought because Hitler took them to war. Those countries invaded were dragged into the war. Most countries that joined the war did so because they were attacked themselves or their allies were attacked and they chose to join to help their allies. Notice that the US joined because they were attacked by the Japanese and had war declared upon them by Germany.
Would like to read a list of countries who joined for peace and democracy and human rights…

Yes, but is the way they go about their quest for nuclear capabilities really in the interest of Iran, considering the broad international response? And what about the statements about Israel? Does the Iranian people benefit from all this?

Who should decide that for them then?

Besides, the risk of a nuclear arms race between Iran and Saudi-Arabia is hardly in the interest of anyone with a sound mind.

The best way to reduce the nuclear proliferation threat is to remove Israels nukes (which are destabilising) and to get all current nuclear powers to sign something to promise only the defensive use of nukes in the ME region.

When the western backed Shah was in power there were no problems with a nuclear Iran… as if the Shah was going to be in control of Iran forever…

So it is in the intrests of the middle east and the world to have a leader that
threatens to wipe other nations of the earth to have the nuclear capability to do so. Intresting, sure puts my mind at ease.

The last superpower left talks of regime change as a method of foreign policy is rather worse than Iran having 10 nuclear weapons tomorrow. The US has both the means of delivery and the track record of actually using nuclear weapons… not to mention absolutely no regard for the health and wellbeing of any humans that don’t hold a US passport or US citizenship…

Why is that? Oh that’s right…..people might post video clips that say bad things about their glorious leader…Sounds like a great place to live to me!

Wish someone would ban a few websites too… like ogrish, or rotten… both being dot coms. Besides, banning websites would fit right in line with laws against denying the holocaust…

I don’t know….I’m kinda thinking that maybe calling for the outright destruction of another nation as well as openly defying the rest of the world (not just the U.S. keep in mind) on the issue of nuclear power.

So if the rest of the world demanded all Coca Cola be banned then the US would ablige? Remember several issues where the world seemed to want something that the US has defied, like antipersonel landmine bans (like the landmine is all that stands between north and south korea…), or agreements on climate change perhaps. If the whole world said the US should give up its nuclear weapons is that going to happen? The reality is that Iran is not defying the world. The world is saying Iran can’t have nuclear weapons. Iran is not saying it will have nuclear weapons, it is saying it doesn’t have any. A bit like Saddam and his magical disappearing WMDs that the US created from thin air.

The rest of the world has stated that they can have nuclear power as long as its for peaceful purposes, and has even offered to help in that regard…yet, Iran still remains defiant to keep the rest of the world out in this case. Perhaps they are up to something?

The World has offered to allow Iran to have nuclear power as long as certain world powers retain control of important aspects of that power. Regading your speculation that because they don’t want an outside power in control of their energy (considering the lengths the west has gone to control Iranian oil that makes sense to me…), now you are making jokes. Since when is personal ignorance evidence of guilt for a crime that has not even been committed yet?

To this potential response I’d reply: If you’re going to be given a free-bee of sorts why wouldn’t you take it?

To which I think the obvious reply would be that they have taken a lot of pain to control their indigenous energy export (oil), so why would they give an outside power control of their nuclear power industry? Problems getting fuel rods to Iranian power stations might coincide with peaks in oil prices…

Five years without a major terrorist attack on American soil…..I for one am happy with the actions of my government.

Yeah… the Busche admin has kept the US safe since 11/9… ha ha ha.

So you’re claiming that all Iranians want the complete and utter destruction of the state of Israel? I know you’d like to see that happen flex, but are you sure that most of the Iranian population feels the same way?

Iran will be like any other country on the planet with a vote. Some will want Israel destroyed, most will not care, and some will want Israel to exist… all for reasons only known to them.

Way to state the obvious. The man wants to destroy another country and wipe it off the face of the map. Of course he doesn’t care what others think.

Yes… a leader of a country with a “with us or against us” attitude who doesn’t care about foreign nationals… welcome to the real world…

The Arabs don’t like the Israelis that’s for sure and they likely wouldn’t miss them if they are gone, but I can’t really see any particular nation aside from Iran that might actually try to get rid of them.

So all those invasions were about border disputes… moving lines on a map a few metres one way or another…

That’s all perfectly acceptable though…afterall it was freedom fighters destroying the evil white people of the West in these instances….no one should be held responsible.

How much blood does the west have on its hands? The only hands with more blood on them are Hitler and Stalin. Compared to the west these terrorists are amatures.

The term Holocaust is used to describe either the Nazi persecution of minorities, or the specific persecution of Jews.

Actually the term Holocaust has been hijacked in the west by the Jews to describe what happened to them in WWII in Europe. Holocaust actually means large scale death by fire. In that sense the firebombing of Dresden created a holocaust.

I don’t see any reason why all countries of the world should necessarily be on the American side.

But the US is good so if some psycho butcher gets into power somewhere and pledges allegence to the US then the world is a better place…

For instance, if Iran should demonstrate an unmistakable intent to attack Israel the way things are now, I’d say that Israel would have the right to say a thing or two.

You mean like the way the US keeps sending in UAVs to investigate certain areas of Iran…