Aintree well it's started- Death no1

Most likely Andy, if I know you lot, 😉
Jim.

Lincoln .7

😀 Just don’t be surprised if you get whipped have someone ride on you and makes you jump at their command–oh now that does sound fun LOL 🙂

Not me by the way LOL.

I’ll remind you of that Gary, next time we meet.:diablo:
Jim.
Lincoln .7

OK i give up ,the horses love it.

RUBBISH- – -LOL, “The horse was there because it wanted to be”–Oh the horse loaded itself into the horsebox,saddled itself up and ran round because it wanted to.
Jockeys –hang on aren’t they the ones who had to be reigned in over whipping horses.
Sorry .,the horse is a necessary commodity needed to perform in this event.
🙂

The horses love it. If they didn’t, why do horses keep on running when the jockeys come off?

I have never seen anything to make me think the horses don’t enjoy it.

Any normal person reading Edgar’s post would take ‘there’ to mean competing and coming second in the race having lost its rider yet still tackling the jumps.

Stupidness about “loaded itself into the horsebox,saddled itself up” only diminishes the point you are trying to make.

Moggy

You are (deliberately?) missing the point; that horse (just as you were, running in your village) was there, because it wanted to be, and riders don’t “force” a horse to jump, they ask it. Jockeys are not sadists either; see how often a horse is “pulled up,” because the rider can feel that it has nothing more to offer, and, contrary to your opinion, he/she does not want to see a horse suffer, or die.

RUBBISH- – -LOL, “The horse was there because it wanted to be”–Oh the horse loaded itself into the horsebox,saddled itself up and ran round because it wanted to.
Jockeys –hang on aren’t they the ones who had to be reigned in over whipping horses.
Sorry .,the horse is a necessary commodity needed to perform in this event.
🙂

You should have placed your bet on “Dusty Rug” it’s never been beaten.:D

:D, Nice one Richard, bet I won’t do it again though.
Jim.
Lincoln .7

A riderless horse was probably just following the herd [it would never have won].
It was running in it’s own comfort zone NOT being forced to accelerate when it was tired,jump when it shouldn’t and didn’t have the weight of a jockey either.
I’ve just done a 3 mile run round my village at my pace so i finished without killing myself BUT if someone had been forcing me to run faster and faster halfway round i doubt i would’ve finished.

You are (deliberately?) missing the point; that horse (just as you were, running in your village) was there, because it wanted to be, and riders don’t “force” a horse to jump, they ask it. Jockeys are not sadists either; see how often a horse is “pulled up,” because the rider can feel that it has nothing more to offer, and, contrary to your opinion, he/she does not want to see a horse suffer, or die.

A riderless horse was probably just following the herd

Which doesn’t detract from the fact that if it had wanted to ‘follow the herd’ by running around the hedges instead of over it could easily have done so.

Moggy

Rather more than that – on all sides of the conflict! Warhorse, Linc, Warhorse. A great novel and a marvellous stage adaptation although a rather mawkish film.

The extract I meant to post:

World War I, in which 10 million soldiers died, also resulted in the deaths of 8 million military horses.
Whether pulling chariots, transporting equipment or carrying people to battle, the horse has seen more action in wars than any other animal; in fact, the earliest equine training manual dates back to 1350 B.C. By the outbreak of World War I, advances in military technology meant that conditions on the front were often more dangerous for horses than for humans. In just one day during the 1916 Battle of Verdun in France, for instance, some 7,000 horses were killed, including nearly 100 animals that died after being struck by a French naval gun blast. Horses were also more susceptible to the elements, and thousands succumbed to exhaustion, disease and poison gas attacks. Many more might have been lost without the efforts of units such as Britain’s Royal Army Veterinary Corps, which treated more than 2.5 million injured horses during World War I. Of these patients, 75 percent were successfully returned to service.

I think Kev can put me right if I am wrong but if memory serves me right, we sent over 60.000 horses and Mules into WW1, and only about 5 or 6 thousand survived.(Possibly even less than that).

Now, however, modern warfare has evolved so that, that will never happen again.

Jim.
Lincoln .7

The Kazhaks, Mongolians, Chinese and others have been working and racing their horses for hundreds of years. Mankind has used animals for sport and work for millenia.

A riderless horse was probably just following the herd [it would never have won].
It was running in it’s own comfort zone NOT being forced to accelerate when it was tired,jump when it shouldn’t and didn’t have the weight of a jockey either.
I’ve just done a 3 mile run round my village at my pace so i finished without killing myself BUT if someone had been forcing me to run faster and faster halfway round i doubt i would’ve finished.

And a riderless horse came in second; rather calls into question the “forced, by slavery, into jumping” notion, doesn’t it, especially since every fence has a run-off area, at the side, which any horse can choose to take, if it feels like it?

Nice to see the National had no fatalities, just one or two Jockeys who fell orf, hope they were O.K.Nice to see the jumps had been lowered.
Bet on Sea Bass:rolleyes: LOST

1st and last bet ever.
Jim.
Lincoln .7

You should have placed your bet on “Dusty Rug” it’s never been beaten.:D

A figure was quoted on the radio yesterday, that said a horse has a one in twenty chance of being killed at the National.

The Grand National yielded 11 fatalities out of 559 horses taking part between 2000 and 2013

Looks more like 1 in 50 to me

I am guessing the 1 in 20 referred just to 2011 and 2012 when four horses died out of the eighty starters. Yesterday will have lengthened that to 1 in 30.

Moggy

Nice to see the National had no fatalities, just one or two Jockeys who fell orf, hope they were O.K.Nice to see the jumps had been lowered.
Bet on Sea Bass:rolleyes: LOST

1st and last bet ever.
Jim.
Lincoln .7

…a horse has a one in twenty chance of being killed at the National.

About the same odds as an aircrew on a typical Bomber Command operation. 😉

I’ll bet you’d find very few horses who took that view, Alan.