Air India’s board have met today to make a final decision on the order for upto 50 new widebodies. The order will have to be approved by Government, but at least we’ll know what they’re looking at. Will keep you posted when they release something….
By: Pembo330 - 27th April 2005 at 11:34
More fantastic news for Boeing. 🙂
By: Pembo330 - 27th April 2005 at 11:34
More fantastic news for Boeing. 🙂
By: Bmused55 - 27th April 2005 at 10:43
Apparently Bush also made a push personally on the Boeing sale during a telephone conversation with the Indian PM.
Much like the Prime ministers of Fance, Germany and the UK pressuring LOT right now to go Airbus “or face the consquences”
Ah… politics.
By: Bmused55 - 27th April 2005 at 10:43
Apparently Bush also made a push personally on the Boeing sale during a telephone conversation with the Indian PM.
Much like the Prime ministers of Fance, Germany and the UK pressuring LOT right now to go Airbus “or face the consquences”
Ah… politics.
By: KabirT - 27th April 2005 at 10:36
Apparently Bush also made a push personally on the Boeing sale during a telephone conversation with the Indian PM.
By: KabirT - 27th April 2005 at 10:36
Apparently Bush also made a push personally on the Boeing sale during a telephone conversation with the Indian PM.
By: 4 engines good - 27th April 2005 at 10:34
No, what I am trying to say is as follows: The alleged superiority of 787 vs. A350/330 is not large enough to warrant an All-Boeing Deal. $7 billion is a lot of money for a low-income country like mine.
My dissapointment is unrelated to the Tpoic of this thread – it has to do with US military supplies to the region just a little while ago, not with the techical abilities of the 787.
Well there certainly seemed to be a lot of pressure from the US government…
From the article Sandy posted earlier:
The issue [of the 50-airplane purchase and Airbus’ protests] became even more sensitive when US secretary of state Condoleeza Rice took it up with Prime Minister Manmohan Singh during here recent visit to India. Even US transportation secretary Norman Mineta emphasised on the issue while he was in Delhi to sign the India-US ‘open skies’ agreement.
I mean, it’s not as if the US government were in the business to apply “friendly” pressure on foreign countries and industries to get what it wants, is it? :rolleyes:
By: 4 engines good - 27th April 2005 at 10:34
No, what I am trying to say is as follows: The alleged superiority of 787 vs. A350/330 is not large enough to warrant an All-Boeing Deal. $7 billion is a lot of money for a low-income country like mine.
My dissapointment is unrelated to the Tpoic of this thread – it has to do with US military supplies to the region just a little while ago, not with the techical abilities of the 787.
Well there certainly seemed to be a lot of pressure from the US government…
From the article Sandy posted earlier:
The issue [of the 50-airplane purchase and Airbus’ protests] became even more sensitive when US secretary of state Condoleeza Rice took it up with Prime Minister Manmohan Singh during here recent visit to India. Even US transportation secretary Norman Mineta emphasised on the issue while he was in Delhi to sign the India-US ‘open skies’ agreement.
I mean, it’s not as if the US government were in the business to apply “friendly” pressure on foreign countries and industries to get what it wants, is it? :rolleyes:
By: KabirT - 27th April 2005 at 10:03
Kabir, with due respect, it’s not just a few weeks ago that the open skies agreement was put on the negotiating table- that has been in the works for some time too. As it happens, I simply don’t care which is a ‘slightly better’ aircraft. To me, they are pretty much even. It all comes down to political weight and yes, Bribes. I am not expressing any extra-ordinary dismay (I am a tad dissapointed though) over this deal, just trying to get across, that the ‘better’ product is not what decided this sale.
Best,
Manu.
Yes i know..i stated that the execution of the open skies was completed recently.
Manu are you refering to the sales of F 16 to Pakistan?? Just out of curosity.
And i do agree that politics plays a leading role in selecting of aircrafts specially in a country like India but fortunately i think the civil aviation deals have been bribe free till now in India. Or atleast it seems so.
By: KabirT - 27th April 2005 at 10:03
Kabir, with due respect, it’s not just a few weeks ago that the open skies agreement was put on the negotiating table- that has been in the works for some time too. As it happens, I simply don’t care which is a ‘slightly better’ aircraft. To me, they are pretty much even. It all comes down to political weight and yes, Bribes. I am not expressing any extra-ordinary dismay (I am a tad dissapointed though) over this deal, just trying to get across, that the ‘better’ product is not what decided this sale.
Best,
Manu.
Yes i know..i stated that the execution of the open skies was completed recently.
Manu are you refering to the sales of F 16 to Pakistan?? Just out of curosity.
And i do agree that politics plays a leading role in selecting of aircrafts specially in a country like India but fortunately i think the civil aviation deals have been bribe free till now in India. Or atleast it seems so.
By: Manu - 27th April 2005 at 08:47
No, what I am trying to say is as follows: The alleged superiority of 787 vs. A350/330 is not large enough to warrant an All-Boeing Deal. $7 billion is a lot of money for a low-income country like mine.
My dissapointment is unrelated to the Tpoic of this thread – it has to do with US military supplies to the region just a little while ago, not with the techical abilities of the 787.
Added Later: This post is @ bring it on.
By: Manu - 27th April 2005 at 08:47
No, what I am trying to say is as follows: The alleged superiority of 787 vs. A350/330 is not large enough to warrant an All-Boeing Deal. $7 billion is a lot of money for a low-income country like mine.
My dissapointment is unrelated to the Tpoic of this thread – it has to do with US military supplies to the region just a little while ago, not with the techical abilities of the 787.
Added Later: This post is @ bring it on.
By: Mark L - 27th April 2005 at 08:37
I believe what Manu is saying, and I think I am inclined to agree with, is that politics plays a more important part in deciding on an aircraft than exactly how well it fits the airlines needs. Also the differences between the A330/A350 and 787 are nowhere near as great as the differences between Boeing and Airbus products over a decade ago.
By: Mark L - 27th April 2005 at 08:37
I believe what Manu is saying, and I think I am inclined to agree with, is that politics plays a more important part in deciding on an aircraft than exactly how well it fits the airlines needs. Also the differences between the A330/A350 and 787 are nowhere near as great as the differences between Boeing and Airbus products over a decade ago.
By: bring_it_on - 27th April 2005 at 08:29
So Manu what u are trying to say is that the a350/330 is a better product as compared to 787? ? ? I think quite a lot of people will disagree with that..(And a lot of airlines that have gone for the 787 in the last 6 months or so)
By: bring_it_on - 27th April 2005 at 08:29
So Manu what u are trying to say is that the a350/330 is a better product as compared to 787? ? ? I think quite a lot of people will disagree with that..(And a lot of airlines that have gone for the 787 in the last 6 months or so)
By: Manu - 27th April 2005 at 07:16
Kabir, with due respect, it’s not just a few weeks ago that the open skies agreement was put on the negotiating table- that has been in the works for some time too. As it happens, I simply don’t care which is a ‘slightly better’ aircraft. To me, they are pretty much even. It all comes down to political weight and yes, Bribes. I am not expressing any extra-ordinary dismay (I am a tad dissapointed though) over this deal, just trying to get across, that the ‘better’ product is not what decided this sale.
Best,
Manu.
By: Manu - 27th April 2005 at 07:16
Kabir, with due respect, it’s not just a few weeks ago that the open skies agreement was put on the negotiating table- that has been in the works for some time too. As it happens, I simply don’t care which is a ‘slightly better’ aircraft. To me, they are pretty much even. It all comes down to political weight and yes, Bribes. I am not expressing any extra-ordinary dismay (I am a tad dissapointed though) over this deal, just trying to get across, that the ‘better’ product is not what decided this sale.
Best,
Manu.
By: KabirT - 27th April 2005 at 03:52
This has nothing to do with the better product. It has to do with the “Open Skies” agreement signed recently and also US political bullying.
Now, IA will have to go for Airbus.
Good Cop – Bad Cop. :rolleyes:
It has nothing to do with Open Skies agreement… Open Skies came into place just a few weeks back, the Boeing deal has been in the pipeline for years. Air India has always been a Boeing customer for its long haul hop. The head honcho in Air India right now is pro-Boeing so the deal is no surprise to me. Except of a few people in the Air India board most of the others are just trouble makers with hardly any knowledge on aircraft specs or what exactly is Air India in need of.
About the politics part yes it is true India is trying to maintain the half-decent relation it has with USA, the Air India deal and if it happens the 126 F 16 deals to USA can get India better relations with USA. As for Airbus when it happens IC will definately go for an all Airbus overhaul. IC is looking for 43 aircrafst, Air India 50, if IC gives the deal to Airbus it pretty much evens out the political balance.
By: KabirT - 27th April 2005 at 03:52
This has nothing to do with the better product. It has to do with the “Open Skies” agreement signed recently and also US political bullying.
Now, IA will have to go for Airbus.
Good Cop – Bad Cop. :rolleyes:
It has nothing to do with Open Skies agreement… Open Skies came into place just a few weeks back, the Boeing deal has been in the pipeline for years. Air India has always been a Boeing customer for its long haul hop. The head honcho in Air India right now is pro-Boeing so the deal is no surprise to me. Except of a few people in the Air India board most of the others are just trouble makers with hardly any knowledge on aircraft specs or what exactly is Air India in need of.
About the politics part yes it is true India is trying to maintain the half-decent relation it has with USA, the Air India deal and if it happens the 126 F 16 deals to USA can get India better relations with USA. As for Airbus when it happens IC will definately go for an all Airbus overhaul. IC is looking for 43 aircrafst, Air India 50, if IC gives the deal to Airbus it pretty much evens out the political balance.
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