kiwipilot02 air new zealand is to get 15 a320 airbus aircraft over the next 4 years with options for 20 over the next 10 years. the a320s will replace 733s on the transtasman routes. the move is a suprise change of type for anz as they have been boeing cutomers for around 33 years.
By: greekdude1 - 17th July 2002 at 03:42
RE: air new zealand to get a32
Ja,
I know you’re the authority down under, but I just got out the July 2002 issue of Airways and read the article on AirNewZealand again. Here’s the deal. October 4, 2001, the NZ gov’t invested NZ$885 million in return for 82% of the recapitalized shares of ANZ. Brierly Investments and Singapore Airlines saw their 30% and 25% interests reduced to 5.3 and 4.2%, respectively. That’s 91.5% of the airline right there. It doesn’t say who owns the remaining 8.5%. Regardless of who it is, I wouldn’t exactly call that a majority. It further goes to make statements such as, “What should we do about QANTAS, which is knocking at our door again?” Also, “There seem to be three broad options for AirNewZealand. Continue to exist in its present form as an independent (albeit government-owned) airline; be taken over by another airline, such as QANTAS; or dramatically reduce its size and cost structure, etc.” Furthermore, “QANTAS is salivating at the prospect of accomplishing its long-held goal of taking over its Trans-Tasman rival…such an acquisition would give QF dominance on trans-Tasman and international flights…” “We interviewed Andrew Miller, senior vice-president-strategy and planning, in Auckland and asked him about the QANTAS takeover proposal. ‘We serve a lot of similar markets. QANTAS has made it very clear they’d like to take a stake in Air New Zealand….” So there you have it JA. Again, I don’t know what your newspaper that’s sitting in the rubbish somewhere, circa September 2001 says. This article is fairly recent, July 2002. Looks to me as if QF is still trying to take a stake in them, but hasn’t done so yet. Unless of course they have done so after this article was published. According to you, they’ve had a majority stake for a long time now.
GD1
By: Ja Worsley - 16th July 2002 at 06:37
RE: air new zealand to get a32
From the Sunday Telegraph back when the 911 incident happened. I just threw out the paper as well (Damd) but I did read it extensivly and that’s how I got this info. I have also asked a Qantas rep for conformation, but as yet I still have no answer!
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By: kiwipilot02 - 15th July 2002 at 23:10
RE: air new zealand to get a32
kiwipilot02 ja worsley where did you get your info on qantas owning a large stake in air new zealand.. Its the nz govt thats the major share holder
By: Ja Worsley - 14th July 2002 at 15:14
RE: air new zealand to get a32
No buddy it’s not recent, happened went Ansett went down, QF moved in cause ANZ looked like falling down also and the only way for them to survive was to sell to QF. The sale wasn’t cheep either, but QF has managed to make a profit out of it already!
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By: greekdude1 - 14th July 2002 at 08:14
RE: air new zealand to get a32
I just read an article on AirNewZealand in Airways. It didn’t say anything about that. It just mentioned that QF wanted to buy a stake in them, but it hadn’t happened yet. Was this recent? As far as ANA goes, the 747’s that they use on their short hops are -400D’s for domestic that have a beefed up undercarriage to cater for the increased cycles, no winglets, and I don’t think they have the extra fuel tanks either. JAL has these as well, and they are specific for this purpose. Any other airline who uses 747’s on short domestic services, well they are just using regular ones. I always thought JAL had the largest 747 fleet, including classics.
GD1
By: KabirT - 14th July 2002 at 05:59
RE: air new zealand to get a32
ANA was overtaken by SIA last year of having the worlds largest B747 fleet. Now even JAL has some more than ANA i think.
By: Geforce - 13th July 2002 at 19:04
RE: air new zealand to get a32
>and I couldn’t believe that a Boeing 747-400 was scheduled
>to do the flight when there were so few passengers, everyone
>almost had a free choice of seats. I would have thought
>from the point of view of Air New Zealand that it would have
>been more economical to use a Boeing 737 (even then it would
>not have been full) which I would have thought uses less
>fuel than the 747?
South African operatares Jumbo’s on their route Jo’burg Cape Town. I was also supprised, and I thought at least they were going to use the SP but they didn’t. They flew the -400! I guess it happens more. Nippon Airlines, the biggest 747 operator, also uses them on short haul flights.
By: Ja Worsley - 13th July 2002 at 16:55
RE: For the record
QF has had a stake in them for some time, the other *% that you speak of is more like 38% now for QF since the NZ government can’t seem to find money for anything these days.
It was actually the government who told SIA that they were giving some of their shares to QF, this left a bitter taste in SIA’s mouth as they now don’t have such a great influence down in this neck of the woods. Everyone knows how close Oz and NZ are especially when it comes to someone like SIA interfering!
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By: greekdude1 - 13th July 2002 at 10:24
RE: For the record
JA, it’s a shame that ANZ was responsible for the demise of Ansett. They had to be complete idiots in the way they handled the whole thing. Am I bitter at them for doing that? Yes. I never got to fly Ansett and this weekend would have been a perfect opportunity to do so as I flew from SYD to MEL. I had to settle for VirginBlue instead. It also left Star without anybody in Australia, and I come here quite a bit. However, will I stop flying them? No. They’re still a good airline. Since when did QF acquire a stake in them? I know after that whole Ansett thing, the gov’t re-took a huge stake in them, like 80%+ and SIA’s stake was reduced to like 8%, along with somebody else having like 8%. Is QF that other 8%? If so, why couldn’t SIA just have control of the 8%, since they had 25% at one stage, and if I’m not mistake, it was increased to 35% before the gov’t took over. Why would QF even be allowed to have a stake in them, being in the rival alliance?
GD1
By: Ja Worsley - 11th July 2002 at 16:39
For the record
I will say it, I don’t like them, not anymore!
Yes it’s to do with the down fall of Ansett. ANZ and the NZ government conspired to kill Ansett and thus keeping the ONE WORLD ALLIENCE alive, and the big winner out of that fiasco, QANTAS who has a big share in ANZ!
As for the A320’s, where will ANZ get the money from? they were just about bankrupt last I heard!
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By: KabirT - 11th July 2002 at 15:54
RE: air new zealand to get a32
Yea…i did Mel. to Syd on a Ansett B767….never expected that. Air India does Delhi-Mumbai with A310s and at night B747s.
By: greekdude1 - 11th July 2002 at 13:34
RE: air new zealand to get a32
Many times, airlines will fly their long-haulers from hub to hub on a regular basis, regardless of capacity. An aircraft may be inbound at one hub, and outbound at another, and they just need to fly it from one to the other. At present, AirNewZealand has 3 flights each way from AKL to SYD, all of which are operated by the 767. I just flew on them from AKL to SYD, in fact. They use the 737’s on ‘other’ trans-tasman routes. Last year I flew on QANTAS from SYD to AKL, and it was a 747-200. They actually regularly use those on at least one of their SYD-AKL flights, as they continue to do so. The one I was on, was rather full, but then many of us had been re-booked from a cancelled ANZ flight. I would never PURPOSELY give my money to a member of the rival Oneworld alliance!
GD1
P.S. For the record Kabir, I VERY MUCH approve of ANZ
By: Comet - 11th July 2002 at 12:21
RE: air new zealand to get a32
They’re not my favourites Kabir, but I was just making a general comment 🙂 I was flying from Sydney to Auckland and I couldn’t believe that a Boeing 747-400 was scheduled to do the flight when there were so few passengers, everyone almost had a free choice of seats. I would have thought from the point of view of Air New Zealand that it would have been more economical to use a Boeing 737 (even then it would not have been full) which I would have thought uses less fuel than the 747?
By: KabirT - 5th July 2002 at 15:44
RE: air new zealand to get a320s
you really hate Air NewZealand dont you Comet… :9
By: Comet - 5th July 2002 at 13:27
RE: air new zealand to get a320s
Last time I flew “trans Tasman” with Air New Zealand it was on a quarter full 747-400, very uneconomical I would have thought.[www.groups.yahoo.com/group/sabenabelgianairlines]
By: Saab 2000 - 4th July 2002 at 15:03
RE: air new zealand to get a320s
Thats good news,it wouldn’t surprise me if Airbus offered cheap prices again!
By: KabirT - 4th July 2002 at 09:28
RE: air new zealand to get a320s
thanx for the news….
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