Air Wales: They do it again!!!

1. Aer Arann announce CWL-DUB & BHD. Then Air Wales announce CWL-BHD too, along with CWL-Rennes, and Waterford-Rennes. Aer Arann already operate Waterford-Lorient. Then Aer Arann ditch their plans to fly CWL-DUB & BHD. Soon after, Air Wales also scrap the planned flights to BHD. Then, Aer Arann announces they will fly CWL-Lorient, in direct competition with Air Wales’ flights to Rennes. This is exactly what Air Wales did to RE, with the Waterford-Rennes flight. They are playing a tit for tat game with each other, mirroring each others decisions, waiting to see who’ll give in first.

2. The cheif exec of WOW has recently said they are currently drawing up a development plan for future expansion, and confirmed when asked by someone on this forum that CWL was included in it.

3. By the state they were in when Air Wales got them, very shabby. And I’m guessing by the number of times they’ve gone tech. G-KKNY went tech the first day they had it.

Good enough for you?

This is turning out to be a real grudge match between Air Wales & Aer Arann, which I can see RE winning

So Spence…what routes are they competing on to have a ‘grudge match’?

6G have WOW to contend with as well, who undoubtedly will be expanding at CWL in the near future

Though this will depend on them getting passengers to fly with them… not so easy from CWL

Maintenance in the past hasn’t been as good

do tell how you know this…

Maintenance in the past hasn’t been as good, and becuase they’ve had overcapacity up till now the ATRs have spent alot of time parked up doing nothing, which isn’t good. As well as new a/c they need a whole new front line management team, and Roy Thomas should take a back seat.

Not at all. Air Wales need a good kick up the tail fin!
Some investment (and we know he has the money for it!) in their aircraft to boost their reliability is what they need at the moment, they have had such a bad run of things lately that their reputation must have taken a bashing.
According to Airfleets, the ATR 42’s are newer than Aer Arann’s. Do Aer Arann get as many problems with theirs? Or is it just poor maintenence?
If they are to expand with these routes, something needs to be done to ensure they can make them work, without messing everything up just as they start to fly them

all competition, is good competition!

WOOHOOHOO!!!! BRING IT ON!!! 😀 I thought we might have a war break out between the 2, so I checked the Aer Arann website last night to see if any CWL routes had been added, but they hadn’t. The rate Aer Arann is adding new routes they’ll be needing some extra aircraft. This is turning out to be a real grudge match between Air Wales & Aer Arann, which I can see RE winning. 6G have WOW to contend with as well, who undoubtedly will be expanding at CWL in the near future. I really want 6G to succeed and become a good airline, seeing as it’s my flag carrier and all, but at the same time I’m wisihing they’ll get hammered by rivals as a wake up call to their complete lack of proffesionlism. Does that sound evil and mean :confused:

It looks like Air Wales will have some competion as:

Aer Arann have got Cradiff-Lorient is listed 😀

It seems we have a new factor for Air Wales’ cutbacks. Delays & cancellations this month are at an all time high. Just last night the CDG flight operated by 6G was delayed and the BRU flight cancelled. This has become the norm, with many of the BFS flights being combined with later flights, suggesting overcapacity as well as unreliability. So, this leads me to the point that I think all of this is being caused by Air Wales’ ATRs going tech. The average fleet age is 13.4 years old, so they aint no spring chickens. Also, over the years they havn’t been maintained up to the standards of, say Aer Aranns. If it was just the axeing of new routes before they’ve even started then I wouldn’t think this, but I’m guessing 1 in 3 of 6Gs flights over the past 2 or 3 months has been either substantially delayed or cancelled. You just need to regularly look at the CWL arrivals board to see that.

id love Air Southwest to come here as i love their livery!

So CWL-BHD is going to happen but with another airline

Wonder who?

Aer Arann?
Air Southwest?

maybe they meant bmibaby?

I find it wired that Paris Beauvias, Cardiff and Belfast City website’s still show the routes and they are still advertising them on the Home Page of airwales.com which makes me wonder if the routes have actually been droped or if the Booking System is playing up again?

I telephoned Air Wales a few days ago and they confirmed that they had withdrawn BHD – CWL for “technical reasons” (whatever that means) and would NOT be operating the route – they did however tell me that “someone” would be operating the route but could not tell me who! – assuming that RE aren’t interested, anyone think that perhaps Air Southwest might take up the gauntlet?

You never know but could anyone see air wales going bust??

I find it wired that Paris Beauvias, Cardiff and Belfast City website’s still show the routes and they are still advertising them on the Home Page of airwales.com which makes me wonder if the routes have actually been droped or if the Booking System is playing up again?

Just to shed a bit of light on the running of Air Wales:

The airline was established by Roy Thomas, a successful Swansea property developer, who wanted to expand his business interests to fulfill his hobby of being in control and to get his name more widely known. The bottom line is he likes to be in control of everything, all the time, and believes that as the airlines owner, chairman and benefactor all decisions should come from him. He ignores advice and does things his way, which is evident in his purchase of Swansea Airport for the airline, a commercial disaster, and the bizarre choice of routes and timings seen in the past, most of which turned out to be flops. Because of his dictatorship over the airline, it struggles to make enough money, so he is constantly pumping money into it. It has made a loss for 5 years running, and without his money it would have gone under years ago. Recently he bowed to pressure from people and appointed professionals to do the commercial decision making for him. However, he is an objectional man, and every time they made decisions he would object to them and show his dissatisfaction. His stubborness and hard line stance on things meant that they eventually had to give in, and once again he is making the decisions, albiet with other peoples names on the bottom of the developemnt plans. i know all this bececuase my father has had to work with him sometimes since he was appointed to the board of the National Botanic Gardens of Wales, and expericanced his personality first hand. He was then told by others of the shannanigans going on at AW. This could be a very profitable, successful airline, but until Roy Thomas leaves it will never fulfill it’s potential. The only problem is, he has driven them into so much debt, that if he leaves, the airline will need another rich man to pump money into it until it can restucture itself sort out it’s finances. Roy Thomas is responsible for the birth, and ultimately, the death of Air Wales. I can’t see it disappearing any time soon though. It will just muddle along like it is now until such time as he gets bored of it, or even dies. Who knows. For now, it’s his hobby, and he’s showing no signs of getting bored of it.

No need to be sorry you were just reporting what you were told!

There is no suspension at BHD. period. If there was BHD would have applied for a judicial review and the NIO are not going to impose sanctions nor do Belfast City Council have the power to impose such sanctions. The NIO is the only body in NI which could authorise such action and they have not done so.

allmcc, remember the Bmibaby moving to BHD rumor that never happened and this one is just along same lines. Not saying your lying but as BHD is the biggest rumor mill in Irish Aviation!

Sorry guys was only going on what I was told! Obviously my source is somewhat less reliable than I first thought!

Also it would have serious EU free market implications too.

There is no suspension at BHD. period. If there was BHD would have applied for a judicial review and the NIO are not going to impose sanctions nor do Belfast City Council have the power to impose such sanctions. The NIO is the only body in NI which could authorise such action and they have not done so.

allmcc, remember the Bmibaby moving to BHD rumor that never happened and this one is just along same lines. Not saying your lying but as BHD is the biggest rumor mill in Irish Aviation!

When will the suspension be lifted?

Anyone’s guess I suppose – have a look at this – gives some idea of the timescale involved.

www.bcaagreementeippanel.com

When will the suspension be lifted?