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AIRBUS ARE TOPS

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Hey read the comment of the NEW YORK TIMES

Paul

Its really hard to choose between manufacturers!

Ooooooh! Such hostility to Airbus from some. What is it that generates such dislike of the enterprise? .
Besides all the rhetoric and anti Airbus hysteria lets not forget that the progress of the company has been truly staggering. Boeing ought to be ahead……they’ve had decades of a
head start. Well I for one, am proud of Airbus and the UKs involvement in it, its also right that Boeing is out there and producing products that give airlines the choice and us something different to look at……Long may the two companies prosper!

It could be measured by so many things to different people, strictly business, whats their capital, turnover etc

If learjet sold most planes every month would they be the largest aircraft manufacturer?

Wasnt the original comment made in terms of sales per year? Therefore Airbus is definetly the largest aircraft producer in the world in terms of orders and deliveries for last year and easily for the foreseeable future with the A380 and new orders for the ever-popular A320 family?

Airbus

Not the old Airbus are subsidized thing again.

1 By who?

2 How?

UK Government have provided loans to BAe Systems which are a 20% partener in AIRBUS.
The loans have to be paid back over the life of the programs.

Just take a look at the current bun fight to get Boeing to set up production of the 7E7 in various States in the US.

The start of this thread made the statement that Airbus had delivered MORE aircraft in 2003 than BOEING – FACT.

ACCEPT IT, who knows what will happen this or next year????

Lets just hope that they both remain in production.

Moreover to be fair to Boeing, Airbus is heavily subsidized, Boeing has to bear all the cost in civil aviation.

Over 60% of all commercial planes are Boeing, Airbus is something in the area of 17%

Originally posted by mikeconnell
Here and now Airbus are selling more aircraft than Boeing, which makes them currently the largest commercial aircraft builder, in my book.

Mike

Well in my book it means they delivered more than boeing in 2003. Nothing more

Originally posted by Bmused55
Those are flights, not aircraft and anyhow, flights that were operated, but no longer. There is no comparison here.

There are STILL many more boeings in operation than airbus.
We’re talking here and now.

Here and now Airbus are selling more aircraft than Boeing, which makes them currently the largest commercial aircraft builder, in my book.

Mike

Originally posted by mikeconnell
By the same reckoning Aeroflot are probably still the largest airline in the world because of the number of flights they have operated.

And Pan Am, TWA and Eastern must still be pretty big carriers.

Mike

Those are flights, not aircraft and anyhow, flights that were operated, but no longer. There is no comparison here.

There are STILL many more boeings in operation than airbus.
We’re talking here and now.

Originally posted by Bmused55
So, have they sold over 6000 aircraft?

No

Then they’re not the worlds largest.

Period

By the same reckoning Aeroflot are probably still the largest airline in the world because of the number of flights they have operated.

And Pan Am, TWA and Eastern must still be pretty big carriers.

Mike

Originally posted by Bhoy
With Aeroflot, what you have to remember is that all CCCP- registered aircraft were deemed to be owned by Aeroflot, and operated in their liveries, even if they were just crop dusters.

Same applied for all the Soviet countries’ airlines (Interflug, Malev, etc.)

And as such, you can’t realy call those aircraft commercial.. as they’re weren’t commercially available apart from inside the USSR.

In my understanding, 90% of all russian aircraft were design to fit the requirements of Aeroflot, thus tailor made.

With Aeroflot, what you have to remember is that all CCCP- registered aircraft were deemed to be owned by Aeroflot, and operated in their liveries, even if they were just crop dusters.

Same applied for all the Soviet countries’ airlines (Interflug, Malev, etc.)

I guess the question is was the AN-2 designed to be a commericial aircraft used by the countries airline(s)? If not, then it can’t be included in the total. It would be similar to Grumman claiming that they built a fire fighting aircraft since their Avengers are used in such a manner now.

Some Cessna’s are used by smaller airlines, the Cessna 208, 402 and 441. Does that mean that since 50 aircraft of those models are used in such a manner that the other 2000 built in those series would also be counted as a commerical aircraft production? No. Same would hold true for the An-2. My guess is that the Colt wasn’t pushed off the assembly line to be used by the airlines. It was modified later to fill a role at a commerical operation but that wouldn’t mean the other 5,000 would be called commerical aircraft.

Originally posted by Whiskey Delta
Is the An-2 used as a commercial aircraft? I’m guessing NO so that wouldn’t count towards the Antonov commerical aircraft numbers.

I realize quite a few An-2’s were utility planes, crop dusters, etc., but to my knowledge, they were also used by Aeroflot and a few other of those eastern bloc nations in a civil manner. I could be wrong.

Originally posted by greekdude1
I was thinking the same thing. The amount of An-2’s produced is just an absolutely sick number, counting the ones produced in Poland and the former USSR. The fact that the production line went for 50+ years can attest to this.

Is the An-2 used as a commercial aircraft? I’m guessing NO so that wouldn’t count towards the Antonov commerical aircraft numbers.

If you do want to count non-commercial aircraft then I still think that Boeing would blow the socks off Antonov. Between 1940 and 1945 how many Boeings rolled off the assembly lines?

Originally posted by tenthije
just 2900 antonovs? Be real, the AN2 alone comes close to that number!

I was thinking the same thing. The amount of An-2’s produced is just an absolutely sick number, counting the ones produced in Poland and the former USSR. The fact that the production line went for 50+ years can attest to this.

Originally posted by steve rowell
Anybody know what happened to the A340-500s that Air Canada ordered

Both aircraft were put into storage in July 2003 at Chateauroux-Deols(Marcel- Dassault) CHR / LFLX, France. One still remains without engines at CHR and one flys daily from TLS with crews from EK and SQ… Of course these are the only two built and whether they and the rest of the 345 and 346 order are to be delivered is yet to be determined.

Anybody know what happened to the A340-500s that Air Canada ordered