Airbus A340

very subjective question to give a definitve answer to as take off performance depends on a variety of factors.

Am sure both companies have done testing to determine their own figures but short of having 1 of each take off from the same location, same time at the same weight, using same power settings etc (i.e to eliminate some variables or at least make them the same for both) then the only figures available are from the respective manufacturers and these will always be open to interpretation.

Heaving this thread back on topic for a second — how does the actual takeoff performance of the 777ER and LR models compare with that of the corresponding A340 models? Is it true that the 772LR requires more runway to take off than does the A345?

Robert,

I did not take it thick (whatever that means) my reply to Sandy’s was tongue in cheek (as indicated by the smiley) – if he failed to see the humour intended then that is not my fault. I offered to delete my comment if he did the same yet he did not so my comment remained.

well after reading every last post in this coment i have come to a conclusion, i am a big airbus fan and you dont see me running around “slabering” evertime sumone makes a post you also dont see me boasting about airbus threads!

i dont agree with the way you are all talking about eachother!

this thread was started as a simple aviation question and there was nothing wrong with it! i would agree that sandy was onli answering a question and then paulc took it thick!

sandy was in my eyes one of the ppl to really put things into this forum and now look whats happened! i think that sandy is own an apologie!

and as for you grey area i though you had a bit more sense and a mod postiong thins like
“Or was that your little brother, too?” i am disraced at this i think you should delete this and appologise to sandy! im not sticking up for him but i am pointing out a few things which i have seen in this forum since i have joined!

FAREWELL TO SANDY! I NO I WILL MISS YOUR POSTS! AND SO WILL ALOT OF OTHER ASWELL

LETS JUST HOPE AND SEE IF ALL!! THE PPL IN THE WRONG APOLOGISE AND HE COMES BACK AGAIN!

If you have problems with anything that has gone on, please PM myself or Grey Area.

If I can just remind people, that is with Sandy’s decision to go off, we never forced hom to go.

Matthew Murray,
Moderator

t’s just so blatant Grey, it’s not even funny.

I don’t actually mind people having a go at me – that’s their prerogative and I’m just as comfortable with taking it as I am dishing it out – but I do wish they’d get their facts straight first.

As Matthew has said, BMused55 has terminated his membership of these Forums – he has not been banned, either temporarily or permanently, and is perfectly free to return at any time.

Only he can tell you why he has done this, because we certainly don’t know the reason.

Greekdude, I am pleased to see that our respect is mutual but there is a lot more to this than meets the eye.

You would be rightly disappointed in me if I brought matters that were raised with me privately into the public domain so you’ll just have to take my word for it, I’m afraid.

Now, I am not comfortable with public comments – pro or anti – made about someone who is not here to “fight their corner”; nor am I prepared to justify or be held to account for the actions of others.

In that light, I have to insist that we all respect BMused55’s decision and now move on.

Thanks

Grey Area
Moderator

This is insane. Great job of chasing away Sandy guys. What did he ever do on this thread that was so godawful? For crying out loud, he was trying to be good the last few months since he got banned. Grey, I have a lot of respect for you, you do a great job as a moderator, but I know what’s up. I’m an educator, I deal with 210 teenagers on a daily basis. Some of them, happen to get on my nerves so much so, that once they get on my bad side, there’s no turning back. Right or wrong, this is a fact. Unfortunately, Sandy got on your bad side, and no matter what, you’re going to come down on him whether it is justified, or not. It’s just so blatant Grey, it’s not even funny. Well, you all succeeded, he’s gone. Have fun. No more Airbus bashing. Utterly pathetic.

It’s a shame that many don’t see the posts that are deleted to see what can only be described as ‘Utterly Pathetic’, which is where complaints of frequent posters of these threads comes from, are we not supposed to act? Delete, Yes? Warn, Yes? What next?

At the end of the day, no-one forced him to go – he throwed the toys out, not us! :confused:

Matthew Murray,
Moderator

Sandy,
Please think before you post. Most of what you have posted recently just seems to want to entice arguments that many consider are getting ridiculous; including myself.

Moderator

I agree 100% with Matthew. I’ve come to the conclusion that the overwhelming majority of friction on this Forum arises from the same individual – and it’s becoming very very tiresome indeed.

Grey Area
Moderator.

Look, all I did was answer someones questions. I did so using facts and figures from the manufacturers websites.
When did that become a flipping crime?

If you look back on this thread, I think you’ll find the only post that was not contructive and began the “friction” was Paulc’s. Not that I expect you to… I’m down and getting kicked about by all the usual suspects that gun for my blood every simgle flipping time.
Well you win this time.

Don’t swear in here, Sandy.

Or was that your little brother, too? :rolleyes:

Grey Area
Moderator

Call me stupid, but I believed that the Airbus counterpart of the 777 was both the 340 and 330. And not only the 340!!?! At least, this is what Airbus has been arguing all along!

Indeed the A333 does have a viable counterpart in the 772 A-market version. I was referring to longer range operations… pardon the confusion.

just responding to your similar comment – so it’s ok to criticise politicians when airbus are ordered yet not when boeing are ordered – double standards methinks.

Nah…. I was answering a question… check it out.

The all the rest of you. Check out what I’ve said… you’ll find it is correct.
I answered these questions using the Boeing and Airbus websites for reference.

Sandy,
Please think before you post. Most of what you have posted recently just seems to want to entice arguments that many consider are getting ridiculous; including myself.

Moderator

I agree 100% with Matthew. I’ve come to the conclusion that the overwhelming majority of friction on this Forum arises from the same individual – and it’s becoming very very tiresome indeed.

Grey Area
Moderator.

You know there are some on this forum that truely believe that if they shout really, really loud then everything they say becomes true! 🙂

well said Kev.

Sandy – why should I delete my comment after all it the same as yours all be it with boeing instead of airbus – are you going to delete yours ?

In order to come back on topic.

One mentioned the difference of maintenance cost between a 2 engines a 4 engines jet.
I don’t have this information. However I have it for boats.

The maintenance cost of a boat is raising as a cubic function of his size. I won’t be surprised if a similar equation was suitable for a jet engine.

My 2 cents worth contribution of the day.

Call me stupid, but I believed that the Airbus counterpart of the 777 was both the 340 and 330. And not only the 340!!?! At least, this is what Airbus has been arguing all along!

My posts weren’t intended to push it in a direction of A vs. B. Both companies make claims that offer but a bit of the entire view of what is truly going on, and I was wondering how those claims differed.

My apologies if I inserted my comments in the wrong thread… I read A340 and expected, perhaps without reason, that itwould be a good chance to ask how the 777 stood up to its Airbus counterpart.

What a pathetic waste of time this is.

Sandy, do you have Boeing tattooed across your chest? Or is it actually engraved on your heart? Your support, no, rabid approval of all Boeing say and do will make no difference in the long run. It’s meaningless. Seeing as the US Military is 80 or 90% equipped with Boeing products, do you really believe they have not been given massive financial support from the US Government? No-one knows what Boeing’s involvement is in so called ‘Black Projects’ but you can be certain they are supported by the Government.

Boeing now have the right to call the McDonnell Douglas DC10 a Boeing, a Boeing F-15 Eagle, Boeing Skyraider. Wonder whether if they ever purchased Bae we could have all Spitfires under the name of Boeing, or the Boeing Halifax. or the Boeing Heracles.

Perhaps the world will be a better place for Sandy when all aircraft are soullless incarnations of the Boeing formula. It seems that for Boeing, money overwhelms all other considerations, perhaps they might consider buying Airbus Industrie?

Regards,

kev35

just responding to your similar comment – so it’s ok to criticise politicians when airbus are ordered yet not when boeing are ordered – double standards methinks.

MAybe time to move this one to the AvsB sticky thread ….

Hand, not everythign to do with either Boeing or Airbus should just be placed there because of the topic….

This has been a very reasonable thread.. if Paulc deletes his comment, theres no need to move this anywhere.

MAybe time to move this one to the AvsB sticky thread ….

Air India ordering Boeing – that’s politicians for ya 🙂

oh don’t start…

Air India ordering Boeing – that’s politicians for ya 🙂

A300/A310/A330/A340 were designed by Airbus with the 2-4-2 as the optimum – the fact that few (if any) have chosen otherwise proves it was a good decision.