In response to Daz’s question in this thread: http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=34218 I went and looked up the photos I took at the National War and Resistance museum in Overloon, The Netherlands sometime in 1988 (although I may be off by 1 or 2 years there :rolleyes: )
Spitfire first, Mitchell FR193 is next. The third aircraft I found was this tatty looking Harvard (serial unknown, could look it up but the book it’s in is at the bottom of a stack of boxes). Also present, and included since it has wings, was this V-1.
Edit: I should add that the Spitfire and B-25 are currently indoors in restored condition. I’m not sure if the other two are enjoying a roof over their head too.
By: HP57 - 6th November 2004 at 15:42
Yes, that’s Günther Leonhardts (spelling?) place at Laatzen near Hannover.
Must be the only Spitfire in Germany (apart from the wreckage that is for sale as discussed recently).
Cheers
Cees
By: DazDaMan - 6th November 2004 at 09:06
That’d be the ex-Wickenden MkXIV, MV370, now residing in Germany, would it not?
By: TonyA - 6th November 2004 at 09:05
The Wickenden/Paul Raymond/Rob Lamplough aircraft is MV370. It was statically restored at Duxford by OFMC before moving on to an owner in Germany
By: Canada TD - 6th November 2004 at 04:23
The Harvard is marked as 12964, ex B-199, FE876, and 42-12363.
Spitfire PR.XI PL965 was replaced with ex Indian AF Spitfire FR.XVIII HS649 (rebuilt as a Mk XIV) marked as NH649 in 1987…Flood
Is that the ex Wickenby Spit that was ‘lightened’ to hang from the ceiling of the Whitehall Theatre of War (run by Paul Raymond, closed after about a year), bought by Robs lamplough and then moved on? If not, where is that one please?
By: Flood - 5th November 2004 at 23:25
Excuse me.
TP263
Mark
http://forum.airforces.info/showthread.php?t=34218&highlight=TP285
Hand held up! ([Very embarrassed smilie]Thats what you get for tracing info about a museum visit in 1988 and totally forget to cross reference that info from a more modern source. I blame my copies of European Wrecks & Relics 1st edition and Warbirds Worldwide Directory 2nd edition…;))
Flood
By: Mark12 - 5th November 2004 at 09:51
The Spitfire is a ‘bitsa’. Its original wings went one way, the fuselage was converted, different wings came from elsewhere, restoration involved other bits and pieces (apparently). Oh, and its original RAF identity is unknown.
Flood
Excuse me.
TP263
Mark
http://forum.airforces.info/showthread.php?t=34218&highlight=TP285
By: Flood - 5th November 2004 at 08:32
The Spitfire is a ‘bitsa’. Its original wings went one way, the fuselage was converted, different wings came from elsewhere, restoration involved other bits and pieces (apparently). Oh, and its original RAF identity is unknown.
Flood
By: Stieglitz - 5th November 2004 at 06:49
Thanks Flood for that info.
You’ve got pics of some nice planes there archer. I understand why they converted this spit to a MKXIV lookalike, but I still prefer to see them in their original mark configuration. And certainly when it is a rare type such as the MK XVIII. But local history is always an important theme for a museum.
J.V.
By: Flood - 4th November 2004 at 23:56
The Harvard is marked as 12964, ex B-199, FE876, and 42-12363.
Spitfire PR.XI PL965 was replaced with ex Indian AF Spitfire FR.XVIII HS649 (rebuilt as a Mk XIV) marked as NH649 in 1987…
Flood
By: DazDaMan - 4th November 2004 at 23:01
Nick Grace managed to swap it for the one pictured above, which seems to be a Mk.XIV lookalike.
MkXVIII, to be exact 😉
By: Neil P - 4th November 2004 at 22:51
Archer – Nice pics & great you posted this as i went there back in 89 whilst at RAF Bruggen for a weeks stay, was a good museum i recall & somewhere i have some pics: distinctly remember those a/c, plus things like a searchlight, tanks, V1 “Doodlebug” , a V2 Rocket & loads of other stuff…
By: Archer - 4th November 2004 at 22:38
Actually, in 1969 you probably didn’t see this Spit, but PL965. I don’t know when the switch happened but since PL965 was a Mk.XI which didn’t have a direct link to the local history, Nick Grace managed to swap it for the one pictured above, which seems to be a Mk.XIV lookalike. PL965 was subsequently restored and is still flying.
By: pierrepjc - 4th November 2004 at 22:23
The Spit looks a lot better on this photo than it did in the summer of 1969 when a paid a visit there as an ATC Cadet on summer camp to Germany. Happy Days.
Paul
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