June 2, 2014 at 10:49 pm
Hello all,
I wonder if anyone can help – I’m currently acquiring and refurbishing aluminium English Rose kitchen units with the intention of putting them into our 1950’s house which we’re currently restoring. In case you’re wondering why I’m posting about this on the Historic Aviation forum, these kitchens were made in the late 1940’s and 50s by CSA Ltd in Coventry, the company who made nose-cones for Merlin engined aircraft and other sheet aluminum aircraft parts during WW2.
They are like big Meccano sets which are held together with different types of fixings and as I’ll need to replace some of them, I was wondering if they’re 1940/50’s aircraft-spec fixings. It would be good to replace them with the correct items. The bolts (or screws actually) seem to be made of brass and the nuts some kind of steel. The nut on the far right in the top pic and on its own in the second appears to be made of steel with some kind of washer (locking device) on top. The other nuts, which are about 10mm or the nearest imperial equivalent) also seem to have a locking device.
Here are a couple of pics of the fixings in question and I’ve also attached a picture of the kitchen units so you can see what happened to all the aluminium that didn’t make it onto the front of an aircraft!

When complete, our units are going to be painted in PRU blue to keep up with the Merlin theme.
Cheers for now…
By: TonyT - 4th June 2014 at 10:13
Simon if they are AN nuts, I could probably send you some, we only use them once on aircraft then discard them, (that is an aviation safety issue), but they will still be in like newish condition visually and will still retain their locking ability, just not as great as new items, hence why we change them.
By: SimonR - 4th June 2014 at 09:52
Wow – thank everyone for the replies – very useful.
I’ll tackle the questions in order:
Chumpy: Yes, the screws are brass, slightly domed and with a philips (cross) head. The AGS 2002 nuts look to be the things although there doesn’t appear to be anything written on my ones. I’ll measure them later on and see if they fit any of the sizes in your attached image.
Whitley_Project: Sorry, no I don’t have a thread gauge to measure them but as you can see they’re reasonably fine.
Bruce: I’ll look up the AN screws and compare.
Scramble Bill: We were really annoyed when they appeared on the Antiques Roadshow as we were just about to start buying scruffy units to refurb and suddenly everyone thought that the scruffy ones were worth as much as the ones on telly. Oh, and a whole lot more people started buying the units. Prices pretty much doubled as a result. Grrrrr!
Skyskooter: Cheers for the link – I’ll take a better look when I’ve got a minute.
Paul178: Yean I agree – sadly ours currently looks rather more shabby and a lot less chic. There’s a lot of work to be done but it’ll be worth it!
BFN!
By: paul178 - 3rd June 2014 at 22:29
That is a kitchen to die for and I would not say no to the “Deco” Easy Chair either!
By: skyskooter - 3rd June 2014 at 20:26
I have seen similar fixings in the local model shop. Might be worth perusing this link.
http://www.modelfixings.co.uk/index2.htm
By: Arabella-Cox - 3rd June 2014 at 20:18
I know the bolt type you mean Bruce/Nick. I definitely have seen this type of bolt for a racking system but it mustn’t have been Dexion then. I still have a container full of them. They are steel, not brass. I would think that the kitchen units would have had steel bolts as there should not have been enough moisture about to cause a problem with them. If there was then they had a bigger problem.
I remember taking a kitchen unit out around twenty years ago that was fabricated from aluminium. It was beautifully made and it struck me that it looked as if it had been made in an aircraft factory. The manufacturer was (Paul?) Millersdale if I remember correctly as it had a beautiful enamelled badge, which I kept and still have, somewhere.
I’ll post a pic of it if I can find it.
Anon.
By: N.Wotherspoon - 3rd June 2014 at 19:34
Definitely not Dexion – which have highly distinctive wide slot cross heads as Bruce points out – Also are these not brass? They certainly look it in the photos & would make sense, as steel bolts and aluminium together in a steamy kitchen, could have caused problems! I recall when I worked for an Auction House many years ago being called out to look at one of these kitchens – it was the first I had seen and I was amazed how modern it looked and how many units it comprised at a time when most houses wound have had nothing more than a stove and a plywood “Kitchenette” unit! Sadly there was little market for them at that time and taking it out would have cost more than we estimated it would make – I ended up persuading the householder to keep it and I know that several years later, it had been re-finished and was still in-situ – Suspect they were glad of my advice in the long run! Didn’t know of the aviation connection until recently though.
By: Scramble Bill - 3rd June 2014 at 12:36
Best of luck with the refurb-restoration of these units, saw some similar on Antiques Road show a while ago, couple had some stored in their garage? took them with them when they moved house!….will look stunning when finished….. im JEALOUS actually! must be scarce and surely can only rise in value in the future?
By: Bruce - 3rd June 2014 at 08:24
Not Dexion bolts – they had very long and wide slots on them, with a seriously coarse thread.
They have the appearance of AN screws and nuts to me – which aren’t as high a quality as British screws and nuts.
Bruce
By: Arabella-Cox - 3rd June 2014 at 07:46
The bolts look like the ones which used to be supplied with Dexion racking systems.
If they are aircraft then they would only be for panels/trims, I would say. The thread seems too coarse and poorly cut for aviation use – in other words; not a high-spec bolt.
Anon.
By: Whitley_Project - 3rd June 2014 at 06:13
Do you know the thread gauge?
By: TonyT - 3rd June 2014 at 00:35
Yep nylocs
See
http://www.lasaero.com/site/products/category?id=F02J369IJ
If there not originals they may be 10/32 or 8/32
By: chumpy - 2nd June 2014 at 23:20
The nuts certainly look like standard aircraft ‘stylie’ lock nuts, AGS 2002 thin type. With red fibre locking insert rather than the more modern white nylon. Not sure about the screws though, look to be cross-head slot?
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