Aircraft in a Yorkshire lake?

The photo I have shows the remains on display at the squadron HQ . Most of the fuselage frame is there but no fabric ; prop boss with broken wooden prop , badly corroded engine , bulkhead , front cockpit flying panel , rear cockpit flying panel , rear seat , tail fin and both elevators . No wings but the metal ‘fillets ?’ are attached to the fuselage and no rudder . With so much remaining I can’t really believe it did’nt survive , perhaps it is still stored somewhere locally ?

Perhaps other aircraft have crashed into Ullswater or even one of the other lakes ?

Looks like the tail is still there

http://www.yorkshire-divers.com/forums/uk-dive-sites-accommodation-liveaboards/1692-haweswater-2.html

Thanks for all the replies:)- the Magister seems to fit the bill as I remember that the film showed yellow painted wooden wreckage.

Cheers again Rad.

And the David has given would make it about the right time as was 10 y/o in 1974, so this’ll be the aircraft- what a great shame to hear the outcome of post recovery.

Regards Rad.

No , I think they are different aircraft ? The yellow painted aircraft was Hart Trainer K4972 which was discovered by the then Solway Group of Aviation Enthusiasts in a barn at Wigton in Cumbria in 1962 . It had an overall yellow colour scheme and although some fabric and parts were missing it was pretty much a complete airframe . It was in their collection at Crosby-On-Eden but eventually went to the RAF Museum at Hendon where she remains today .
The Lake District Magister L8355 was recovered from Ullswater in 1974 during a combined recovery by local divers and 1264(Windermere) Squadron ATC . Sadly most of the airframe broke up during the recovery but large sections were taken back to the squadron HQ in Park Road , Windermere . Their HQ was conveted into a national ATC outdoor centre in the late 70’s early 80’s and I do remember seeing what I was told were pieces of the aircraft but nothing substantial by that time . They moved to a new adjacent HQ so perhaps the remains were declared surplus ? Sadly at that time , and even now , air cadets and others recover aircraft remains from high ground fells without any thought of their actions or of how to preserve their remains .

Thanks for all the replies:)- the Magister seems to fit the bill as I remember that the film showed yellow painted wooden wreckage.

Cheers again Rad.

Magister

I had heard that the Magister recovered from Ullswater went to a local ATC group, where is rather unsurprisingly started to deteriorate, to the point it eventually was moved outside and disintegrated, whilst the instrument panel and engine were preserved – perhaps these are the parts that went to the other side of the country? As I have never been able to trace what happened to them.

The Maggie recovered from Ulleswater, is the one I was thinking of, it was supposed to be complete “though in how many pieces I don’t know”, it was said to have been given to the museum/group in the York area, I seem to remember some one saying that at least some of the metal fittings were saved from it, before it was disposed of, does any one know what happened to some of the other aircraft parts they had ?.

Bob. T

White Rose Base

just perused my copy, only clue it provides is that it proclaims to be an Air Museum York publication…

There was a Magister that was recovered from Ullswater and mentioned in this thread http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=66374

– “Magister L8355 recovered from Ullswater Lake District 1974 by local ATC Unit”

There was a group of enthusiasts. (Not sure if they called themeselves YAM) that were based in the control tower at Acaster Malbis near York during the early seventies. I used to go and play in their Vampire as a wee lad. They had an ejector seat lots of small artifacts and and mossie wing. I don’t remember anything yellow like a Miles Magister though.

Paul.

^if I remember I’ll have a look in my copy of WRB tonight.

There was some kind of Yorkshire based aviation archaeology group active up until the 70s/80 I believe, there may be details of them in White Rose Base by Brian Rapier.

I can think of a group in Yorkshire that’s still active according to Wrecks & Relics 22, but not a “long defunct” one! :confused:

In York? :confused:

Yes YORK “or somewhere near” !

It was long before Elvington was set up, I don’t know the details of the museum/group, but I don’t think they were around for very long, they had the remains of the Magister, some parts from the Bulldog that is now on display at Hendon “rear fuselage etc”, & supposedly many other interesting things.

I might have got my wires crossed, but I am sure I remember a couple of people tellng me about it.

Bob. T

Further details and photo of the remaining parts on Richard Allanby’s excellent website – here: http://www.yorkshire-aircraft.co.uk/aircraft/yorkshire/dg230.html

Thanks for letting us see that Nick. I was there a couple of years ago for their Open Gardens and the lady who owned the garden (including the pond) said that her family had brought those bits out but there was still lots in the mud,
Jim

… the remains are believed to have gone to the long defunct aircraft museum/group at York ….

In York? :confused:

A Magister perhaps ?.

Could it have been the remains of a Miles Magister ?, as some time ago one was fished out of a Lake (possibly in the lake district), the remains are believed to have gone to the long defunct aircraft museum/group at York, a lot of other interesting parts also went to the museum/group, but seem to have dissappeared when it closed.

Bob. T

Parts from that Lindholme Wellington were on display At St Athan.

Wasn’t there a tv show on years ago about this??

That sounds like the Wellington in the peat bog near Linhome, and its `Billy Lindholme` story http://www.mysterymag.com/hauntedbritain/?page=article&subID=77&artID=125