July 27, 2013 at 11:06 am
I found these aircraft parts in a scrapping area near Kinloss airfield. Can anyone identify what they are and what type they came from?
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Photos 1 & 4 appear to be a wing or tailplane frame
Photos 2,3,5 & 6 are heavy parts.
Photo 7 is a tubular aluminium framework, one part with a black rubber grommet of some sort.
Photo 8 is from some sort of instrument panel (possibly a radio).
Photo 9 is a heavy duty screw cap
Photo 10 is some sort of locating bracket or fixing
Photo 11 has a knurled outer face, as can be seen in the shadow.
Photo 12 has two airframe parts
I know that the area I found them in was used to store then scrap Ansons, Warwicks, Halifaxes and Lancasters – any ideas?
By: TomDocherty72 - 7th August 2013 at 14:30
Anson
Hi Ross,
Thanks for a very comprehensive answer to my questions about these parts. Very useful.
Tom
By: Ross_McNeill - 7th August 2013 at 09:59
Hi Tom,
Ok
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Better graphic of the front spar mounts. Also confirms that the L shaped bracket in photo 2 is part of the front spar lower mount ie face bracket with one through bolt remaining in place.
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Engine to spar mount for completeness
I was wrong in saying the light bomb cells were bunge operated – it was the heavy bomb cells.
The Light bomb cell was operated by the perforated wheel as per the photo posted by Peter.
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The manual image shows this wheel but it has only 6 holes not the 8 shown on your example. What is clear is the edge support for the light bomb door which is the frame from your first photo. If you look closely at Peter’s photo you can see the turnbuckle adjuster from the frame to actuating rod that is on your recovered item.
The 8 hole wheel could be from a number of locations depending on size but I suggest that the aileron example shown is a match – although I’m not sure your example is double faced.
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Regards
Ross
By: TomDocherty72 - 5th August 2013 at 20:46
Anson
That’s the one Ross, many thanks!
By: Ross_McNeill - 5th August 2013 at 18:10
Sorry for the delay Tom, the bod I loaned the AP to is being a bit tardy for it’s return.
As an interim here is the repair manual drawing for the fuselage to spar mounts.
Your part has two through bolts and the lightning holes making it the mount to the front spar.
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Regards
Ross
By: TomDocherty72 - 28th July 2013 at 18:55
Thanks Ross, look forward to the answer.
By: Ross_McNeill - 28th July 2013 at 16:43
Still out in the cold for the moment. Canadian specific part collection is the limiting factor for restoration start.
Once the Link fuselage is hoisted over the base/Octagon and bolted down then it frees up the construction space in the workshop again so the Anson will be pulled in then to commence work.
I’m still in two minds how much to do as I have enough gear to fit out the W/Op compartment as well as the cockpit and the fwd part of the nav compartment. All it really needs is more tube and a bit of wood/doped linen. Considering a nose/cockpit at the moment then a standalone rear fuselage Nav & W/Op that can be pushed up close if required. That way the cockpit is easily taken to events with the rest for special occasions where a training example of all the BCATP crew stations is warranted.
Liked the visual of the Anson at Hendon on the Queen Mary – one side covered and the other left open for viewing pleasure.
Can not for the life of me remember if the toothed wheel is u/c retraction, fuel ****, flaps or heavy bomb cell but the “Haynes Manual” will tell all.
Regards
Ross
By: Peter - 28th July 2013 at 15:40
Thanks Ross, learn something new everyday..
Hows your Anson coming along btw?
By: Ross_McNeill - 28th July 2013 at 15:19
The inboard bomb cell doors of the Anson had no cockpit operated control.
They were opened by the weight of the bomb as it fell and closed by a bungee strap after the bomb fell through.
I’ll go to the workshop and get the AP midweek and copy the photos there of the fuselage/engine/undercarriage fork brackets to spar. They are all similar but with slight variations in the attachment arrangements.
I’ll confirm operation of the toothed wheel then as well.
Regards
Ross
By: Peter - 28th July 2013 at 14:57
Ross thats not the one I Was referring to see my pic above. It is the rear pickup mount for the landing gear drag to rear spar??
Hmm on second thought I think I am incorrect on both of those parts… Not an Anson guy 🙂
By: Ross_McNeill - 28th July 2013 at 14:05
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On top of the wooden main spar attaching to the cockpit frame (just below the parachute stowage box.
I’m away from the high res piccys at the moment on my MkII cockpit but here is a cropped front and side view of the area.
Note the shaped ends of the fork opposite the attachment mount. The rear u/c mount in Peter’s picture has a straight end and more attachment points on the inboard side.
Regards
Ross
By: TomDocherty72 - 28th July 2013 at 13:32
Anson parts
Sorry Peter but if you look closer at your photo of the u/c to spar bracket you posted you will see the u/c mount is offset.
The frame to spar attachments are central as in this photo and matches the part shown by Tom.
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Ross
Hi Ross,
It must be my fading eyesight but I cannot locate the part you are referring to in your photo?
By: Ross_McNeill - 28th July 2013 at 12:44
Sorry Peter but if you look closer at your photo of the u/c to spar bracket you posted you will see the u/c mount is offset.
The frame to spar attachments are central as in this photo and matches the part shown by Tom.
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Regards
Ross
By: TomDocherty72 - 28th July 2013 at 10:39
Mount
Tom,
Here is the picture I was looking for. It shows both that large gear wheel and the fork in situ..
Hi Peter,
It looks like the right part, here are the photos again to compare:
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I also noticed the round knurled wheel in you photo (photo 11 in my second post of images)too, which look similar to the one I found, any ideas on what that is?:
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It looks like a wheel in the control runs to the tailplane?
The tubular framework also looks like it came from an Anson (photo 7)
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By: Peter - 27th July 2013 at 16:16
Tom,
Here is the picture I was looking for. It shows both that large gear wheel and the fork in situ..
By: Peter - 27th July 2013 at 16:10
Hi Tom yes I think it might be. I have a picture I am trying to find to post up for you…
By: TomDocherty72 - 27th July 2013 at 15:21
Anson parts…. That large toothed wheel is for the operation of the wing bombdoors and mounts on the rear face of the front spar between the engine and fuselage. That fork shaped item looks like it might be the rear mounting point for the landing gear to rear spar….?
Hi Peter,
Thanks for that. Are you referring to the same fork shaped part as Ross when you write about the landing gear? (Photos 2&5)
By: Peter - 27th July 2013 at 14:30
Anson parts…. That large toothed wheel is for the operation of the wing bombdoors and mounts on the rear face of the front spar between the engine and fuselage. That fork shaped item looks like it might be the rear mounting point for the landing gear to rear spar….?
By: TomDocherty72 - 27th July 2013 at 11:40
Main spar mount
Hi Tom,
Post 1, photo 2 & 5 is probably the fuselage frame to main spar mount for an Anson. The wooden main spar passed between the rectangular fork section with through bolts.Some scale would confirm if main spar.
Regards
Ross
Thanks Ross, it is approx 6in x4in x 2in in size.
By: Ross_McNeill - 27th July 2013 at 11:23
Hi Tom,
Post 1, photo 2 & 5 is probably the fuselage frame to main spar mount for an Anson. The wooden main spar passed between the rectangular fork section with through bolts.
Some scale would confirm if main spar.
Regards
Ross
By: TomDocherty72 - 27th July 2013 at 11:07
Missing photos 11 and 12[ATTACH=CONFIG]219237[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]219238[/ATTACH]