Air(lack of)Space

All

I have cleaned up several posts on this thread and it is closed until further notice.

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Additional: claims that “someone I spoke to at Duxford once said blah blah…” won’t wash. Just because someone at Duxford said so, doesn’t make it true, and believe me, some of the tales I have heard from some of the staff and private operators are simply that!

Oh dear…

Some good points raised here, and some utter rubbish too.

Some of you would be advised to get your facts straight or provide solid evidence of some of the claims you have made. No concrete evidence? Don’t post such allegations in public then.

And before someone starts howling self-righteously about moderation by an IWM employee, I won’t be locking this thread or editing posts, I’ll leave that to the discretion of the other mods and the Webmaster.

Perhaps just one more little bit of information – exactly why such a large and expensive building cannot do exactly what it was designed to do – would have helped prevent some of the angst expressed here.

One can imagine that a poorly designed and hastily built shed might not be roomy enough, but I share the exasperation expressed above as this should have worked. Is there a fix?

I am going to Dx tonight and will try to find out a bit more.

DS

Why do all Duxford related posts generate such a fuss?

Because Duxford belongs to the people; as British taxpayers, we in theory own it, in practice our views are shrugged of, and we have no more control over it than any other state run institution, and yet as A/C enthusiasts, we are passionate about which A/C are preserved ,and indeed how that is achieved.

It has become autonamous, and wasteful, and its direction as a museum, has been cause for concern by many; it has also become so intertwined (at face value) with the many private companies that operate from there, that to say something negative about Duxford (IWM) invokes a torrent of vitriol ,some from people who work there, and some from their friends, who wrongly believe that criticism has been levelled at them.

Ok so DX have said they can’t in what they hoped. These things happen. I’ve been on an airfield and spent ages putting stuff in and out in order to get it to fit – it happens. With regard to the comments with regard to positioning – ironic considering the thread a bit further down about transverse laoding of aircrft into hangars and the use of skates. A lot of the re-organisation of Hendon involved aircraft on skates so not an impossibility for DX surely?

No one seems to think of the people that expended time and effort restoring these aircraft, how are the people who worked on the aircraft to go inside, that now are appearing to be going outside again feeling about such news?

Thanks 92fis for starting an interesting thread, just a shame it has been skewed.

The ‘Price’ of preservation

“The overall cost of ‘Airspace’ is in the region of £27.9 million and will have a 10,000 square metre exhibition featuring 30 classic British and Commonwealth aircraft.”

WOW a whopping £930,000.00 per aircraft under cover 😮

Just think how many aircraft could have been put under cover if that amount had been given to each of the regional independant museums. Plus they would have been accessable to more people around the UK without having to all travel to the centre of the universe – the south east of England.

Don’t get me wrong – I like Duxford, its atmosphere, its aircraft, its airshows, Legends in particular. However I cannot help but think the fact they have sucked up the majority of the available public funding over the last few years may now be at the point where at least some of it would have better been used if made available to more smaller museums around the country.

Now donning my tin hat and flak jacket.

Quote from IWM Duxford’s own PR.

“The overall cost of ‘Airspace’ is in the region of £27.9 million and will have a 10,000 square metre exhibition featuring 30 classic British and Commonwealth aircraft.”

Just think how many Vulcans they could have got flying again with all that money.

Then they could retire a whole row of them to Duxford! :diablo:

£27.9 Million :rolleyes:

I just cant see how thats value for money when in truth the aircraft exhibition space hasn’t increased by that much. 🙁

I’m so fed up with Airspace and being mugged at Duxford airshows to donate £250 so someone can have a nice new office 😡

For some reason I got the idea that Airspace was going to be an extra 10000 sq ft of space compared to the original superhangar (which isn’t exactly that super as we have just had a new one built here for a certain Mr Branson that is probably half the size). The more I saw of the superhangar the more I got the impression that it was actually smaller than the old hangars.

No it isn’t, not if you understand how aircraft move on the ground and how to position them. Any way they should have had enough practice over the years.
All you need to take into account is swept wing growth, pivot point overhang, wing tip hight, tail hight, nose clearance to ground and maximum turning radius and there you go, simple…..

mick

And being careful not to forget the angle of the dangle no doubt 😀

£27.9 Million :rolleyes:

I just cant see how thats value for money when in truth the aircraft exhibition space hasn’t increased by that much. 🙁

I’m so fed up with Airspace and being mugged at Duxford airshows to donate £250 so someone can have a nice new office 😡

Why do all Duxford related posts generate such a fuss?

Could it be due to the fact that the Airspace project has cost so much money?

Quote from IWM Duxford’s own PR.

“The overall cost of ‘Airspace’ is in the region of £27.9 million and will have a 10,000 square metre exhibition featuring 30 classic British and Commonwealth aircraft.”

What could that have been used for elsewhere in British aircraft preservation?

From my understanding and comments also in IWM Duxford’s own PR material they are also one of the few organisations that have been given additional funding from the HLF to help bring Airspace to completion. See their July 2006 update on the link below.

http://www.militaryairshows.co.uk/new.htm#duxhang

Y11F,
Well put. There IS[U] Life outside Duxford.

Why do all Duxford related posts generate such a fuss?

I was wondering that myself.

Why do all Duxford related posts generate such a fuss?

sorry

ill go stand in a corner….

Oh what a surprise. Yet again a stupid thread and yet again it is on Historic forum on key. Now gents behave yourselves. save the bickering for later its pathetic that you guys do this. This thread is not doing the IWM any favours and as someone who worked under both regimes in the past I am sure that the museum is doing its best to sort this minor problem out should infact arise.
Stop the bickering ok?
92fis do not stur trouble these sort of threads are pointless as you well know so why start it?

Who’s sturring trouble, The info came from the IWM AirSpace newsletter so i’m sure if they didn’t want people to know they wouldn’t have said anything.

Oh what a surprise. Yet again a stupid thread and yet again it is on Historic forum on key. Now gents behave yourselves. save the bickering for later its pathetic that you guys do this. This thread is not doing the IWM any favours and as someone who worked under both regimes in the past I am sure that the museum is doing its best to sort this minor problem out should infact arise.
Stop the bickering ok?
92fis do not stur trouble these sort of threads are pointless as you well know so why start it?

Therein lies the problem. Much of what is said on this Forum is un-informed opinion. Uninformed as it is often not based upon fact, made of wild speculative notions all for the sake of waiting a few weeks to find out what the reality is. If you don’t believe me, try taking a trawl through these hallowed pages. Much of the speculation on here is disporoved after an awful lot of hot air and feather ruffling. At times, this place seems more like a testosterone zone than a aviation forum.

The good bit about the Forum is that there are still some very well informed people who visit here providing up to date access to the goings on in aviation. If I want to read the male equivalent of a ‘Chick Flick’, I’d buy Nuts or FHM.

Some speculation can be interesting in small doses. Whinging and sniping simply lets on that the author doesn’t know, but would like to. It generally also means that they have no way of knowing until the truth is posted on the web, proving perhaps that they are in the category of the un-informed.

It has nothing to do with conforming.

you assume that I am not ‘informed’ in my opinion???

Oh okay….

:rolleyes:

Great Forum…dont say a thing unless you opinion conforms….

Therein lies the problem. Much of what is said on this Forum is un-informed opinion. Uninformed as it is often not based upon fact, made of wild speculative notions all for the sake of waiting a few weeks to find out what the reality is. If you don’t believe me, try taking a trawl through these hallowed pages. Much of the speculation on here is disporoved after an awful lot of hot air and feather ruffling. At times, this place seems more like a testosterone zone than a aviation forum.

The good bit about the Forum is that there are still some very well informed people who visit here providing up to date access to the goings on in aviation. If I want to read the male equivalent of a ‘Chick Flick’, I’d buy Nuts or FHM.

Some speculation can be interesting in small doses. Whinging and sniping simply lets on that the author doesn’t know, but would like to. It generally also means that they have no way of knowing until the truth is posted on the web, proving perhaps that they are in the category of the un-informed.

It has nothing to do with conforming.