Airlines lost 25 million passenger bags in 2009

Deano, you need to take a long hard look from Post number 8 and see the direction you sent this thread.
As for your very last point, you asked, who the hell do I think I am. The measure of that is status and money.

Anyway, the fact remains, if a bag is missing on a FO deal, the airline is the point of contact and the one that carries the blame. On a package deal it’s the tour operator – in each case it is no matter who actually mislays the kit.

I’ve had a bag follow me over the pond to Amsterdam. I was inbound Gatwick. It was an airline van that pulled up at my house to return it, not the Handling services.

Wow

You’ve missed the whole point entirely, When did I ever say you wouldn’t complain to the airline? When did I ever say anything contrary? My whole argument was purely, and in it’s own entity that it is not the airline that loses the bags, but the ground handlers. You seem to have manufactured that I said you should not complain directly to the airline, of course you should, it’s rather “dumb” to suggest otherwise.

Superior attitude? I’m afraid you’ll have to look in the mirror on that one, since when did this turn into a status and earnings debate? I couldn’t care less if you were a demi-god on £1m per year, good for you.

Typical passenger mentality, it’s like when you turn up late and you don’t get accepted, I suppose that’s the airline’s fault too? If there’s a weather delay and the destination is fogged out, that’s the airline’s fault too right? The list goes on 🙂

In answer to your apparent superior attitude, I quote above your original dismissive post. Clearly a complete and utter generalisation, which is indeed typical of the aloof crew that reluctantly step into the pax. area, with a face like they’ve put their finger through the toilet paper. If I generalised, it is only in response to the same.

As for who I am, superior in status and earning considerably more money than a Commercial pilot (I don’t know what mil. pilots earn), and that’s all that matters.

So, on topic, if we lose a bag, do we go to the Airline to complain or to the Baggage handlers canteen? Airline of course. If the on board food is bad, do we blame the child labour that cooked and packed it or the airline that served it? Airline of course.
If the aeroplane caused the delay, it’s the Airline. If the Pilot caused the delay, it’s the Airline.
When French ATC can be blamed, they are of course blamed.
I have never heard of anybody blaming weather on the airline, although I can visualise it, given the level of education acceptable these days.

The Airline(s) are the only point of contact that is made available.

No, not at all, that is a dumb comparison to make. The baggage is handed over in good faith at the Check in desk allocated by the airline. The fact that the baggage handler below stairs is on £4 per hour and doesn’t give a rats-ass about my bag is the problem of the collective airlines for allowing the management to employ such carefree employees in the first place. The original baggage handlers went on strike in the 1980’s and were subsequantly slowly replaced by lower paid contract staff. Oh how they were ridiculed for going on strike.

Naa it’s not dumb at all, it’s exactly the same mentality, and exactly the same complaints you hear time and again from passengers who go out of their way to make the cabin crew’s life as miserable as possible when things don’t go their way.
Who the airport authorities employ is nothing whatsoever to do with the airlines, that is for them to choose. What it has got to do with the airlines is if there are contractual issues that are being broken, then the airlines can pull them to task, it is up to the airport authorities how they go about putting that right.

Good, then you will realise that making a sweeping statement that all pax are likely to blame the airlines for things that are clearly nothing to do with the airlines was indeed the typical remark made by aloof crew members that assume all their pax know nothing about the aviation industry, and are indeed nothing more than talking baggage.

As for turning up late, that is only on the Pikey airlines that I wouldn’t bother with. I’ve seen those idiots on “Airport”.

No, the sweeping statement meaning is a figment of your imagination, I said “typical passenger mentality”, and I stand by what I said. This mentality comes from the passengers who complain in this way, it is these passengers who know very little about aviation, because if they did they wouldn’t complain about it the way they do. It’s the ones who know about aviation that have a bit of rationale about them and are accepting when things don’t go to plan.

typical remark made by aloof crew members that assume all their pax know nothing about the aviation industry, and are indeed nothing more than talking baggage.

Who the hell do you think you are? Now who’s generalising? I can tell you now that the majority of passengers don’t know much about aviation. Don’t put words in my mouth, it was you who said that, it twas not I who said that, or implied it, you seem a very angry individual, you might want to google some relaxation techniques.

Good, then you will realise that making a sweeping statement that all pax are likely to blame the airlines for things that are clearly nothing to do with the airlines was indeed the typical remark made by aloof crew members that assume all their pax know nothing about the aviation industry, and are indeed nothing more than talking baggage.

As for turning up late, that is only on the Pikey airlines that I wouldn’t bother with. I’ve seen those idiots on “Airport”.

Dumb?

Phew, now I feel better.

No, not at all, that is a dumb comparison to make. The baggage is handed over in good faith at the Check in desk allocated by the airline. The fact that the baggage handler below stairs is on £4 per hour and doesn’t give a rats-ass about my bag is the problem of the collective airlines for allowing the management to employ such carefree employees in the first place. The original baggage handlers went on strike in the 1980’s and were subsequantly slowly replaced by lower paid contract staff. Oh how they were ridiculed for going on strike.

Typical passenger mentality, it’s like when you turn up late and you don’t get accepted, I suppose that’s the airline’s fault too? If there’s a weather delay and the destination is fogged out, that’s the airline’s fault too right? The list goes on 🙂

We trust our bags in the care of the airline. So they are the ones we blame.

If they genuinely lose a bag, is the payout still based on a stupid rule of £5 or maybe even £10! per kilogram?
Didn’t Mad Donna or Posh Spice lose about a Kg of Jewellery once, and got a tenner for it?

I’m not really sure why they say “airlines” lose their bags; they don’t, in most cases the airport authorities lose the bags and the airlines get the blame. Once the bags leave the aircraft it is out of the airline’s hands. What do they think we do? Open the cargo door and dump them in the Atlantic? :rolleyes:

😀 … I would Blame it Straight with the Airport and it’s service’s Unless the Airline it’s self took the blame for Either sending it on the wrong plane or something Like that.

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I’m not really sure why they say “airlines” lose their bags; they don’t, in most cases the airport authorities lose the bags and the airlines get the blame. Once the bags leave the aircraft it is out of the airline’s hands. What do they think we do? Open the cargo door and dump them in the Atlantic? :rolleyes:

Lost means lost-gone, you dont get it back!

Airlines may have delayed 25 millions bags but they certainly didnt loose 25 million bags! Tight connections, weather etc are the main causes things really arnt nearly as bad as this suggests!

Crikey, and I am flying tonight on Banana Republic Airways with two suitcases. 😮

😀 GoodLuck, Would Lost luggage come under Travel insurance? or would it be down to the Airline? Airport?

Rob
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Crikey, and I am flying tonight on Banana Republic Airways with two suitcases. 😮