Looking through the 2004 UK Warbird listings last night, I see there is a pile of bits that may well fly one day in Surrey. But there is also a note that another JU 87 project is also on the go in the UK and may well be at an advanced stage. No more information is given.
Two questions:
1. Any news on the second mystery project?
2. Will we ever see an original Stuka (say 50%+ original parts) flying again,
or will that depend on whether the Russian’s ‘find’ another complete airframe at the bottom of a lake?
Just wondering…….
By: battle_damaged - 9th December 2008 at 10:07
Interesting to note that the Messerschmitt 109 in the museum is described as a replica – I always thought it was a modified Ha.1112…:confused:
Anyway, I digress…
Many thanks to you and Mark – I shall correct the captions (and expand…):o
vbrgds
Alan
By: Bruce - 9th December 2008 at 08:50
Does anyone know the latest wherabouts of WkNr6234? I’m currently working on a 1:72 scale model of what she could look like when airworthy, and I’d dearly love to know if this is a real possibility….or even a restoration for static display.
It is stored in Berlin – where it has been since it returned from New Zealand.
It is owned by Stiftung Deutsches Technik Museum, and has been since its sale from the Alpine Fighter Collection.
I saw it there last year – there is not enough to build an airworthy aircraft without finding an awful lot more parts and information.
Bruce
By: DazDaMan - 9th December 2008 at 08:12
Great-looking replica. I think that’s the ex-Langhurst(?) one.
By: PanzerJohn - 9th December 2008 at 01:43
Heres a flying Stuka..
By: mark_pilkington - 8th December 2008 at 20:49
The first picture is captioned “me-109 replica” but the next photo in the series shows it from its intact side, and captions it as a spanish “HA1112MIL” a C4K formerly G-AWHS, and obviously converted back to a DB engine, an awesome and impressive display!
regards
Mark Pilkington
By: DazDaMan - 8th December 2008 at 19:46
JU-87 in Sinsheim….www.english-for-flyaways.de
Interesting to note that the Messerschmitt 109 in the museum is described as a replica – I always thought it was a modified Ha.1112…:confused:
Anyway, I digress…
By: jeepman - 8th December 2008 at 18:44
[QUOTE=battle_damaged;1332311]
I think it’s mind-boggling to read that the Stuka prototype was powered by a Rolls-Royce Kestrel. QUOTE]
as was the Bf109 protoype
By: battle_damaged - 8th December 2008 at 10:59
How convincingly?
…The only other Stuka on long term display since the war was the Ju87B in Chicago.Flood
I think it’s mind-boggling to read that the Stuka prototype was powered by a Rolls-Royce Kestrel. Gosh, did they have our permission?? Wonder where they got it from and, had the Jumo not come along, would they have reversed-engineered the Kestrel? It was lost anyway with the crash of the prototype close to Dessau, when the tail came off (twin tail then?). The pilot who lost his life, Willy Neuenhofen, ferried a JU-52 to South Africa in 1936…is that the one still down there I wonder?
Just musing, now that the thread has been revived. We are now a few years closer to the reported restoration…
cheers
Alan
JU-87 in Sinsheim….www.english-for-flyaways.de
By: Zac Yates - 8th December 2008 at 05:12
Does anyone know the latest wherabouts of WkNr6234? I’m currently working on a 1:72 scale model of what she could look like when airworthy, and I’d dearly love to know if this is a real possibility….or even a restoration for static display.
By: Der - 28th November 2008 at 22:25
Thanks Peter.
By: Peter - 28th November 2008 at 21:10
Can this be marked up as a zombie thread please.
Done!
By: Der - 28th November 2008 at 18:02
Can this be marked up as a zombie thread please.
By: Zac Yates - 28th November 2008 at 06:08
So – thread revival! – whatever happened to Glenn Lacey’s 87R project? Is it with someone who plans to return it to the sky?
By: Geoff K - 16th August 2005 at 07:59
There is a well known photo of a Ju87 in flight minus both u/c legs, but this was a partial fake, as I have seen in a book (can’t remember the title) the original photo beside it with IIRC one leg still attached.
Geoff.
By: Seafuryfan - 15th August 2005 at 23:09
Explosive Bolts
I found out tonight that the Stuka had explosive bolts fitted to the landing gear for jettisoning them in case of emergency. These were fitted to the navalised Stuka C-0s of 4(St)TrGr186, intended for eventual deployment on the Graf Zeppelin.
An example of the bolts being used is given in ‘Stuka JU87’ by Lt Col AJ Barker (Bison Books, 1980, P26). A Stuka was damaged by anti-aircraft fire while returning from the Polish naval base at Hela. Expecting having to land his aircraft at sea, the pilot fired the bolts and the landing gear came away cleanly (as it similarly does when I exceed Vne in IL2 Forgotten Battles 🙂 ). In the end he nursed the plane back to base and made a successful belly landing.
Maybe Mr Lacey will consider fitting these to cater for a forced landing onto irregular terrain.
By: Rlangham - 15th August 2005 at 21:08
For me the Stuka signifies the Blitzkrieg and entire early war era, whenever the Stuka is mentioned by BEF Troops e.t.c. they all mention the siren scared the **** out of them, and i remember one ex-BEF soldier recalling advice someone gave them, ‘never look a Stuka in the face’ or something like that
By: APC104 - 15th August 2005 at 21:00
Sorry to drag this one up again, but I’ve just had an interesting chat with a German guy based in Venezuela who’s poor old dad was sent off to Russian during WWII. He remined me that the Stuka saw plenty of action on the Russian front with god knows how many being lost in action or left behind as the front line moved backwards and forwards.
Bearing in mind the number of aircraft currently coming to light in that part of the world – the recent hurricanes coming out of lakes, etc – have any Stukas been recovered yet, or are there any surveys that suggest one may be recovered in a condition that would allow a decent rebuilt to flying condition?
By: J Boyle - 25th February 2005 at 17:39
I believe a Vox Pop of W.W.II would get a better response to ‘Stuka’ than any other ‘Nazi’ warplane. But we can’t prove or disprove that now!
JDK…My point is I see a difference between fame and infamy (my Oxford Dictionary describes infamy as “vile, abominable”).
I stand by my original statement that it is more famous to the general public.
To me it’s not any worse than other axis planes, but it is more famous.
I believe a plane can be both. 🙂
As far a a program to make it extinct, I agree with the other posters who pointed out that a lot of planes (both axis and allied) are extinct or nearly so.
Whether it be JFK, HRH Diana, or UFOs…I’m not a big fan of conspiracy theories. 😎
By: JDK - 25th February 2005 at 10:02
Could the real J Boyle please stand up?
… but in my experience, I think it’s one of the axis types better known by the general public.
Even in the quick version of WWII history given in schools today (or at least when I was in school) it’s role in the Blitzkreg was usually noted and it was often mentioned by name….something usually NOT done for fighters…except the Spitfire.
I believe it was even mentioned by name in a Woody Allen film (Radio Days…1987)….a first for any warbird.
I agree. 😉
And IMHO, the Stuka is no more infamous than any other Axis combat plane.
I don’t agree. 😀 I believe a Vox Pop of W.W.II would get a better response to ‘Stuka’ than any other ‘Nazi’ warplane. But we can’t prove or disprove that now!
By: *Zwitter* - 25th February 2005 at 09:43
I’m off to Chicago to see and photograph the example there in April, I’ll post some pics up here.
I’ve also got some pictures of the example displayed at Speyer (substantial recovered wreckage) which I’ll scan in and post here later this evening, if anyone’s interested.
I have a pic of that one at home – it’s in good condition but has a bit of a hole in the underside – like combat damage. Shame it and the Spit are hanging up, but al in all a very good museum! 😀
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