Akulas with India – speculation

i thought i read reports of indian sailors training on the akula 2 already in russia.

DUDE the second lline can give me nightmares you know?
i’d never ever trust high tech american weapons as their goreign policy is designed in such a way comes with strings attached. they have ever jamming codes for stuffs they sells to partners.
incase os russia, israel entirely diff, you can trust them period. even french is much trustable partner if u have $$$.

america opening sea wolf class? out of ur mind matt?neither they’ll do tht nor they’ll assist our ATV’s sonar VLS systems etc…it’ll be one and only russia.

i dont see why a acquisition of 40-50 odd american f18’s will change navyus decision of acquiring akula seems ODD. remember china wants them too so it’ll be either us or china.

What are the chances that the congress government has made a deal not to sign up for the lease of those akulas with Russia if america opens its arms and doors to it?

ever more what are the chances that the congress government has been paid off to not lease the subs? wouldnt be the first time.

I cant even remember the current administration talking about leasing the subs!

I dont think so they have came back.
btw was it confirmed they were there in russia?

Have the submariners come back from russia? Otherwise IN doesn’t have the akulas yet.

Guys any Updates whats happening on this,
there are so so soooooooooooooooooo much talks in all forums,
did india signed this deal yes or no? is this a true or bluuf? 🙁

jokes aside, here is a report from Bellona the norweigan nuclear watchdog group about a facility being made ready to train indian n-boat crews. came out august 2005.

http://www.bellona.no/en/international/russia/nuke-weapons/nonproliferation/39412.html

Blackcat you cant compare a Su to a nuke submarine , A N submarine provided you a least vulnerable way of firing your N Missile , The presence of N sub restricts enemy moment and creates constant fear and hence ties huge assets just to be in high alert.

As far as operating the Akula in secrecy is concerned , its just not mighty possible , The US and other countries has a quite good survellence on worlds ocean and you cant hide that long .

As I see no reason to hide the Akula deal when we went public with the Charlie deal quite in advance during the height of cold war.

Akula can unnerve Chinese and Pak , But heck who cares , thats why they were bought , to maintain the qualitative edge with the IN.

i do agree, but there is no need for anyone to shout that look they already got a Nukie boat out there and that we need to pump up our forces there …

I leave it there …

so y cudn’t be that, an Akula really entered the Indian service way back in 2001 (as per earlier reports) and that the two (or even four) “customised” boats be entering the service in future?? …..

Blackcat you cant compare a Su to a nuke submarine , A N submarine provided you a least vulnerable way of firing your N Missile , The presence of N sub restricts enemy moment and creates constant fear and hence ties huge assets just to be in high alert.

As far as operating the Akula in secrecy is concerned , its just not mighty possible , The US and other countries has a quite good survellence on worlds ocean and you cant hide that long .

As I see no reason to hide the Akula deal when we went public with the Charlie deal quite in advance during the height of cold war.

Akula can unnerve Chinese and Pak , But heck who cares , thats why they were bought , to maintain the qualitative edge with the IN.

frankly, there isnt any work for any intelligence agencies to know these kinds of stuff … simply coz these are not purely military ‘programmes’ but need the political clearence and hence almost all the walls of South Block & Parliment might have heard the same … it was simply no big deal .

It was a big deal coz , Never before had some one leased a N-sub specially during the height of Cold War , Surely the west didnt took kindly to it and they would have like to know why did Indian leased a N-sub.

Insiders were always there , The ex Soviet KGB guys memories revels that India was presented as a ideal state for the KGB ofcourse the British and French had their own vested interest and ofcourse there was IB who wanted to know all about it.

Ofcourse how can one forget the paranoidness of CIA penetration during Indira’s regiem.

The above mentioned incident was specially carried by Asian Age 2 ~ 3 years back and was written by ex Admiral Nadkarni and indeed he mentioned that it was a suprise to him and Defense Minister when Groshkov presented a N-sub model.

Mate You are ofcourse free to draw your own conclusion and certainly you are as right as much as I am or any one here could be.

Blackcat I had sent you many offline messages as I dont have your email id , Please mail me your email id , Sorry for the delay and its an interview and not a article on P-75 etc

Austin,

can u send me the article related to the P-75 A, B and I?? … i’ll be waiting for ur mail … tks in advance.

Dont get surprised if IN Akulas are patrolling the mallaca straits. no one knows.. :diablo: .. god only knows .. wait a minute .. ofcourse newly found strategic parters know apart from Russian.. rumor is that the chinese and pak people are thinking that it is russian.. offcourse akulas are not fying the flag.. damn it.. 😀

well the first report abt the Akulas coming to India was around late 2000 and that it will be in Indian waters during early 2001 ….. secondly, only a dumbhead Admiral wud put the nukies off the China coast now, when the western coast needs it the most …. thirdly …. h much can a N-powered undersea boat change the balance of power in the IOR, considering that the submarine is not just another N-submarine?? …. how much can the presence of the same N-powered Piranah make anyone to soft peddle and move forward for sweetners in IOR with the fine tuned approach of … “if u can’t beat them, join them” ….. or …. “its better to keep it off for nw” ….. what say??

for the nukies in Indian service …. take the Su-30 deal as an example ….. first we went in for the Ks so as to get accustomed with the Sukhois and its later on that the specialied Su-30MKI was to arrive ….. so y cudn’t be that, an Akula really entered the Indian service way back in 2001 (as per earlier reports) and that the two (or even four) “customised” boats be entering the service in future?? ……

But it also indicates the kind of Intel the Soviets had on India and the hard work the KGB did to get it 😀

frankly, there isnt any work for any intelligence agencies to know these kinds of stuff … simply coz these are not purely military ‘programmes’ but need the political clearence and hence almost all the walls of South Block & Parliment might have heard the same … it was simply no big deal …. u also need to understand that there have been insiders which also aided the Frenchies as to the need for addition Mirages for IAF and they inturn made a good margin on that … and lastly don ever forget that the British Intelligence was never ever pulled down or the Indian Intelligence was fully revamped when India got Independence!

… it was the same Indian mercenaries which continued as the Indian inteligence (and all debacle have to be credited to them) with their links with their British daddies …. there will always be soo much into these stuff and the inter-rivalaries …. for instance, the ‘time-tested’ guys can kick out the ‘new-comers’ citing security resons etc etc, so as to keep’em off the ‘preferred line’ of their parents …. hope u got me … and don ever forget the dirty British hand in making the Northern Kashmir the buffer zone against the Soviet Influence on India! …. which we all now call as Pakistan Occupied Kashmir.

All I know is that my cousin’s husband (laugh here) who was a submariner and still is in fact, and was part of a certain diesel kilo sub has been posted in Russia since September and will be there for the next two years. Since his Kilo sub was upgraded 5 years ago, i fail to see why and what they are doing in that cold country.

who knows, he wont tell me. 🙂

Did he tell if he has to tell you then he has to kill u. :dev2:

Won’t tell you because he knows the second he tells, his words will be posted here…

All I know is that my cousin’s husband (laugh here) who was a submariner and still is in fact, and was part of a certain diesel kilo sub has been posted in Russia since September and will be there for the next two years. Since his Kilo sub was upgraded 5 years ago, i fail to see why and what they are doing in that cold country.

who knows, he wont tell me. 🙂

The Congress and Left rejected it , The BJP was not named , so they couldnt reject it .

Lets toe the official line here , our politician are clean and dont indulge in anti-national activities or take money for personal gains 😉

The ex KGB memories are just a bunch of lies 😀

The BJP did not yet exist in the 1970s although Advani and his boys were around the block.

…. The first installment totaled $600, in unofficial reports. The sum and the cost of the St. Petersburg’s submarine give the $825 million discrepancy between preliminary and official results for 2005……

source

If they only paid ‘$600’ then I have a suspicion that it might have something to do with the missing $825million 😀 Was that used $10 bills sir ? :diablo:

Dont get surprised if IN Akulas are patrolling the mallaca straits. no one knows.. :diablo: .. god only knows .. wait a minute .. ofcourse newly found strategic parters know apart from Russian.. rumor is that the chinese and pak people are thinking that it is russian.. offcourse akulas are not fying the flag.. damn it.. 😀

The Congress and Left rejected it , The BJP was not named , so they couldnt reject it .

Lets toe the official line here , our politician are clean and dont indulge in anti-national activities or take money for personal gains 😉

The ex KGB memories are just a bunch of lies 😀

Too much to digest :D.

But one can say that russians are more sentitive to India’s needs, that any one else. Thats the gain of being second largest buyer of russian weapons.