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Not to contaminate on thread with 2 topics

We take a great amount of heat for our Mossie and its restoration so I felt some additional information is in order.

CF-HMQ was recovered from extended outside storage as almost a lost cause.
Prior to being put into storage it had been an outside gate guardian for many years and suffered the ravages of time, rot, poor repairs and vandals.

But in the recovery it came with strings…

The aircraft is a partnership between the City of Edmonton, 418 Squadron Asso and the Alberta Aviation Museum…one of the strings was it being presented as the 418 Aircraft of Edmontonian Russ Bannock.

This was done within the constraints of minimal dollars, information and support. Frankly considering what was started with I believe our volunteer restoration team did a phenomenal job of creating the static restoration.

Prior to our rescue of the aircraft other museums and private collectors passed on the aircraft as unsalvagable and junk. The rot was through the wing (it was not going to fly again) and the nose and other sections had large sections missing due to rot and weather.

Today it sits in our museum, preserved, continuing to have upgrades made, and brigs pleasure to many thousands each year. Many of them former crew.

Are there problems with the restoration…yes, engines, props and other details. Most glaring is the colour scheme…RAF dayfighter when it should be Intruder.

But the facts are as a non profit museum with only (4) staff and the rest volunteer we did and continue to do the best we can with what we have.

The restoration on the Mossie is now 15 years old and is starting to show its age. The cockpit is currently being upgraded with new photos and information. Other details have been and are continuing to be collected and when the time comes for it to be re restored corrections will be made.

In the meantime many many thousands have come to learn about the Mossie, 418 SQN, Russ Bannock and Spartan air services mapping of Canada. Children have gotten to see feel and touch a Mossie, learn about our place in and costs of WW2.

So while I admit to errors on the aircraft and we have plans to correct them in time I do not apologize for our Museum saving it, restoring it or presenting it as a very important piece of history to our City, Province and Country.

As to it being little better than a fibreglas replica…ours is all done in wood.

And stands as a monument to the Canadians and others that served during WW2, especially 418 Squadron.

It stands on guard for future generations to learn more about being an Edmontonian and Canadian.

Just my 2 bits worth

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By: Tom H - 28th January 2008 at 04:33

Thanks we appreciate your visits…

Ask for me the next time you are in.

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By: dogsbody - 28th January 2008 at 02:43

Accurate on not, it’s the only Mosquito that I have ever had the chance to see up close and to actaully touch. At least once a year, I make a pilgrimage to the AAM to see what’s new and to touch ( very gently and briefly ) a little aviation history.

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By: Tom H - 27th January 2008 at 17:11

Bruce

I appreciate exactly what you are saying. But in some cases we do what we have to.

Our collection is split almost 50/50 Military and Civil types and it often breaks my heart to see ether put into non relavent colors. But as a volunteer I was often only 1 voice and now as a 240hr/month Executive Director I can only advise and find the ways to pay for it.

But as you say times change, the B-25 we are currently doing is step in the right direction. It would be fair I think to say it is a composite aircraft with parts coming from all over the place but is being done as a specific postwar 418 Sqn aircraft as accuratly as we can afford. But again it is a partnership with another associaton and stumbling blocks may still fall…but we are in the right direction.

Our biggest challenge is and continues to get more pressing is room, as it currently stands 2 out of 4 aircraft in restoration will have no indoor display space if we are delayed in expansion plans…that to me will be a huge shame.

But we continue to do the best we can.

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Mark 12

You are right that is a beautiful Mossie

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By: Mark12 - 27th January 2008 at 10:33

I find it a little sad that we paint all of our postwar Mustangs, Lancasters and so on in wartime colours, when they have no relation to the actual service of the airframe in question.
Bruce

Bruce,

I thoght this one looked pretty good.

Mark

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By: Bruce - 27th January 2008 at 07:58

In fairness, I have been a little harsh in my postings elsewhere. Aircraft preservation is still in its infancy, and we should not judge work done yesterday by the standards of today.

20 years ago when I started to get involved in the preservation scene, it was very different; there was often no particular regard for a specific airframes history, but this is changing in all sectors.

I had not realised VP189 was restored so long ago – where does the time go??

I understand where you are coming from with the restoration of VP189, though I still regret it. I find it a little sad that we paint all of our postwar Mustangs, Lancasters and so on in wartime colours, when they have no relation to the actual service of the airframe in question.

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By: Peter - 27th January 2008 at 02:26

Hello Tom.
If I ever get up your way with time to spare, will make sure I bring along some work clothes and gloves to muck in and give you a hand where needed!

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By: Tom H - 27th January 2008 at 01:56

Thanks Peter

We may very well have met as I have been to Nanton with my father in law and daughter several times…matter of fact you featured both of them in one of your newsletters.

Nanton has done a superb job with the Lanc and others. Loved the operating rear turret my father in law made you guys put me in….no idea how he bailed out when his Lanc was shot down.

Like you we do the best we can…but we get better and better

Apprecaite the kind words…thanks again.

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By: Peter - 27th January 2008 at 01:40

Tom.
You have done a fantastic job with the Mossie. I am not sure if we have met but I did have the pleaeure of meeting two chaps in nanton that were from Edmonton. I keep promising I will make a trip up and see what a fantastic Job you and your group have done not only looking after the mossie but creating and running a first rate museum that Edmonton can be proud of!

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By: Tom H - 26th January 2008 at 23:54

Thanks Mark

Appreciate the support…hope ours has helped your cause.

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By: mark_pilkington - 26th January 2008 at 23:47

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In regard to CF-HMQ, hindsight may make its current state or modification a regrettable outcome as compared to an inaccurate paint scheme, however it is undercover and not deteriorating any further, and perhaps at some time in the future , its time to revert back to its own form may eventually come, and it would seem the original acquistion and restoration was subject to these constraints. While perhaps regrettable, would the airframe have been saved otherwise? and exist in any form today?

Stuart Howe’s book on Mosquito survivors tells the unfortunate story of this aircraft’s modification which goes back to 1967 and a back breaking drop when being unloaded, external fibre-glassing, external display and vandalism long before donation to the City of Edmonton in 1975 and the more recent display in Tom’s museum, I think it is lucky to exist in any form, the Glynn Powell jigs etc were only a twinkle in the eye when all of this happened, and over the same time there were other derelict mossies lying around unwanted (the Mexico City XB-TOX / TA 717 or even Australia’s own VH-WAD A52-319)

In relation to “modifications” our own museum at Moorabbin for many years displayed its P40E fuselage mounted on a pair of CAC Mustang wings, a case of Australian ingenuity to display it as a more complete aircraft and allow it to undertake engine runs.

At the time it was the only P40 on public display in Australia, and a pair of P40 wings were not available. While attracting concern over the in-accuracy and sacrilege, the P40 has survived the “ordeal” and is currently under restoration (but still in need of a completed set of wings).

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By: Tom H - 26th January 2008 at 19:56

Thank you Avion Ancien

We do the best we can with what we have and keep getting better.

Our collection is now at 38 ether on display or under restoration.

From 1918 to 1979 covering both Edmonton’s commercial and military history.

Appreciate the kind words

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By: avion ancien - 26th January 2008 at 18:27

I applaud you and your colleagues. There are more than a few who could learn lessons from what your museum has achieved.

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