All 7 Russians rescued

haha morning mate !

well i just said the bbc did it i never said we arent allowed to do it 😉

No worries bloke, you know me. Just having a bitch. 😉

Phil 🙂

Makes you wonder why the Venom failed to cut the cable, on paper it is more sophisticated. If it’s really just lack of training on the part of the operators then that is thankfully something that can be solved.

Russian Navy has started receiving the Venom robotic submersibles..
http://www.memagazine.org/backissues/may02/features/rover/rover.html

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20050811/41135455.html

http://english.pravda.ru/science/19/94/379/16018_submarine.html

“Norwegian? really it thought it was an american company which sent rescue equipment to help the kursk wasnt it KBR/Halliburton that did the work?”

American company but Norwegian workers. 😉 The Haliburton lot were based here near Stavanger, Norway – mainly, if not all, Norwegian employees. Certainly two of my Norwegian mates were directly involved in the work.

Regards

Skipper

Well maybe I don’t pay much attention but lets face it if the Yanks did something great or the Russians or the Indians or anybody else then their own news agencies would also make something of it and nobody would bat an eyelid. I suppose being Brits we are not allowed to or something :rolleyes: .

Phil 🙂

haha morning mate !

well i just said the bbc did it i never said we arent allowed to do it 😉

“But i am suprised that private firms were not asked to rescue the guys i am sure their are some that own dsrv’s”

The Russians did this before with the Norwegians during the Kursk debacle. However, having recently spoken with some of those Norwegian lads who were involved I guess both the Russians and private firms might be very cautious about going down that route again. The Russians tried to “claim the glory” (perhaps not the best word to chose with the Kursk 🙁 ) by covering over the Norwegian private firm’s logo on the recovery video with one of their own logos, thus trying to make out a “big deal” to their own nation that they had done more than they actually had done! Blackcat, the Russians are just as good, if not worse in this case, by actually falsely claiming to their own people about their apparent efforts – at least the British efforts were genuine!! 😡
Skipper

Norwegian? really it thought it was an american company which sent rescue equipment to help the kursk wasnt it KBR/Halliburton that did the work?

“But i am suprised that private firms were not asked to rescue the guys i am sure their are some that own dsrv’s”

The Russians did this before with the Norwegians during the Kursk debacle. However, having recently spoken with some of those Norwegian lads who were involved I guess both the Russians and private firms might be very cautious about going down that route again. The Russians tried to “claim the glory” (perhaps not the best word to chose with the Kursk 🙁 ) by covering over the Norwegian private firm’s logo on the recovery video with one of their own logos, thus trying to make out a “big deal” to their own nation that they had done more than they actually had done! Blackcat, the Russians are just as good, if not worse in this case, by actually falsely claiming to their own people about their apparent efforts – at least the British efforts were genuine!! 😡

Also, as a member of the Rolls-Royce Marine NSRS (NATO Submarine Rescue System) Bid Team who won the contract to supply, manage and support the rescue capability to the British, Norwegian and French navies from 2006 (replacing the UK’s LR5 submersible), I am aware that NSRS is potentially available to anyone who wants it! Russia take note!! May I even suggest the Russians visit the following website: 😉
http://www.ismerlo.org/assets/nato_srs.htm
and contact the NSRS Program Management Organization, who appear only to eager to help:
[email]webmaster@ismerlo.org[/email]

I guess that Rolls-Royce’s success will mean that the present British team will be relieved of their duties in 2006/7 unless they want to “jump ship” (or should that be submersible? :rolleyes: ) to the Rolls-Royce team.

I really think the BBC were well within their rights to allow us Brits to celebrate this team’s wonderful efforts – as a nation we’ve gone through enough sh*t recently for goodness sake. Well done, indeed Cdr Ian Riches, Royal Navy, et al!!! 🙂

Skipper

Is it wrong to get pleasure from the knowledge that your countrymen saved the lives of others?
Congratualations RN.

hey phill i will have to agree with blackcat on this one they did make a big deal out of it almost like they were getting pleasure from it.

But i am suprised that private firms were not asked to rescue the guys i am sure their are some that own dsrv’s

Well maybe I don’t pay much attention but lets face it if the Yanks did something great or the Russians or the Indians or anybody else then their own news agencies would also make something of it and nobody would bat an eyelid. I suppose being Brits we are not allowed to or something :rolleyes: .

Phil 🙂

hey phill i will have to agree with blackcat on this one they did make a big deal out of it almost like they were getting pleasure from it.

But i am suprised that private firms were not asked to rescue the guys i am sure their are some that own dsrv’s

yeah sure …. BBC was flasing it for everyone coz of that .. its not to belittle the RN teams effort, but wanted to put h $astardly the media is when thing happen … u neded to look back h the things were when Krushk , Beslan & more recently the Krivov class ‘blast’ happened ….

Well the BBC did indeed report it, they were’nt bragging, they were just reporting. Lets be frank Blackcat when it comes to anything British you have a history of trying to belittle them, unsuccessfully mostly but nonetheless………….

Phil

Its surprising a large submarine force like Ru doesnt keep a full assortment of kit to get out of these tricky situations. India & China too would be in the same hole if this ever happened. Hope the top brass take it as a lesson and concentrate not just on teeth but a strong tail also!

India has been ‘negotiating’ since I was a kid for DSRVs from Unkil :rolleyes:

well as usual the Russian misfortune at play ….. they do have deep submersibles and the deepest one too (Mir), but first of the lot do not have cutters and the second is more for filiming (titanic rem?) and other stufs ….

So with this …. we can now expect (?) a variant of Mir (?) with some robotic arms for duties like what the British vessel did.

Excellant to see the British navy (royal navy) was able to get there in time and play an important role in saving lives.

yeah sure …. BBC was flasing it for everyone coz of that .. its not to belittle the RN teams effort, but wanted to put h $astardly the media is when thing happen … u neded to look back h the things were when Krushk , Beslan & more recently the Krivov class ‘blast’ happened ….

that is an absolute top-good news.

And is absolutely, very impressive to see US, Brits and Russians working together to do something so good, to save human lifes. The response was so quick and efficient, and the outcome was what it was supposed to be: lifes saved and happy ending.

Well done everyone involved.

Ja, india has a ‘agreement’ with Unkil to fly their dsrv kit from san diego etc in case of a submarine accident. though for obvious reasons I wouldnt like to ‘test’ the strength of this agreement anytime soon. I believe only selected parts of western europe, Unkil and perhaps japan have the state of art DSRV right now.

march05
http://submarinesaustralia.com/log_archives/log_03_05.htm

USN Rescue for Indian Submarines
By the end of the year, the safety of crew in Indian submarines in distress will be in the hands of the US Navy. In a deal between the two navies the Submarine Rescue Programme, to be signed later this year, the US will airlift a deep submergence rescue vessel (DSRV) to an Indian submarine in distress anywhere in the world and evacuate the crew to safety.

The Navy is understood to have made an initial payment of $100,000 to the US government already, and will be followed by further instalments after the agreement is signed. The agreement is only stopgap until India gets its own DSRV. The actual acquisition of a DSRV is part of the Navy’s mid-to-long term plans.

The Navy’s four German HDW submarines (Shishumar-class) are currently being fitted with hatches and pads so that the American rescue vehicle can dock during rescue procedures. The absolute threshold depth for a submarine rescue is about 650 metres.

The Navy currently operates 16 submarines, four German Shishumar-class submarines, two Foxtrot-class and 10 Russian kilo-class submarines. A complement of six Scorpenes is expected to join the force over the next few years, with the deal ready to be endorsed by the Cabinet Committee on Security.

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btw the 4 IN U-209 have a escape sphere also though it may not always be possible to use it.supposedly it can accomodate all the crew.

Nice to know that the submarine crew is safe and sound, its quite disappointing that as one of the worlds powerful navies, Russia couldn’t even rescue its own crew. I think we need another Kursk-style accident to get the message through to the Admirals.

Indy: mate with India and Russia being so close couldn’t they do a trade of some sort? Or couldn’t India buy them from the British?

Its surprising a large submarine force like Ru doesnt keep a full assortment of kit to get out of these tricky situations. India & China too would be in the same hole if this ever happened. Hope the top brass take it as a lesson and concentrate not just on teeth but a strong tail also!

India has been ‘negotiating’ since I was a kid for DSRVs from Unkil :rolleyes:

I’d like to know more about the under-water surveilance system that was pinning it down, I knew it wasn’t just a fishing net!

Briliant!! 🙂 This is very good news. Full credit to everyone involved. I thought it was just a rescue sub on an exercise.

Excellant to see the British navy (royal navy) was able to get there in time and play an important role in saving lives.

That is excellent news. It is good to see an incident like this end without the loss of life.

Thanks to the British navy.Question is,what was the Russian mini submarine for? Was it part of the navy Spetsnaz?

I got the impression that it was a rescue sub.