All happening in Norway..Spitfire No. 2

Seen aircraft in better shape at a scrapheap.
..after it was shredded. :p

I do prefer bringing rare examples to great static examples (Hampden, Whirlwind, Sterling, Ju188, of course Do 17, among many others) than a type with many airworthy examples.

Thanks chap – I knew my memory wasnt playing tricks!
TT

You’re right, it’s not. It’s somewhere Stateside.

I can’t find the Paver shots from Germany, however.

I don’t think that’s Germany Daz…. :rolleyes:

I wonder if there are many Arado 234s in the fjords. I’d like to see one flying.

Didnt they do that with a machine in the States? A single seater with the rear cockpit faired over? Must have looked a bit odd if they kept the front cockpit in the same place ? As I understand it the proper twintubs had their front cockpits moved forward compared to the single seaters, rather than the front cockpit left alone and a rear pit added – MK12 you’re the expert- over to you!

TT

With all this talk of single/dual seat Spitfires, I wonder how possible it would be to make a removable second bubble, and have a replacement panel fit that would give the look of a single seater?

Best of both worlds?

Thanks, Mark 12 (I can spell… it’s just I can’t type!)

Adrian

That is great to see.

22nd September 2018, 13:50
I was recently speaking to an acquaintance of yours over a free gin at RAF Brize Norton (that’ll give you a clue as to why), Mark12, and he showed me the pics of what I think is Recent Norwegian Spitfire 1 (henceforth to be known as wItiRNS1) laid out for viewing. Even without the extra sacks, it looked like quite a haul. I believe that shouting too much is embargoed until it’s been on the tele, so please give us a heads-up on here when it’s due on!

Thanks,

Adrian

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Adrian,

I think the pre-planned shouting will commence about a couple of weeks before the screening, to max viewing figures.

Mark

Not my pics. The album was shared via a FB page. I’m sure Mark12 will know a lot more…..

Jagx204 – you need to drop Airfix a line, there’s bit’s missing! Seriously, that’s quite a haul – I guess that’s because a lot of Norway is a very very long way from anywhere?
(anyone worked out how to reply to a post directly?)

Adrian

I see RNS4 was amended to RNS3… So what is RNS4 ?

Full album here:

I was recently speaking to an acquaintance of yours over a free gin at RAF Brize Norton (that’ll give you a clue as to why), Mark12, and he showed me the pics of what I think is Recent Norwegian Spitfire 1 (henceforth to be known as wItiRNS1) laid out for viewing. Even without the extra sacks, it looked like quite a haul. I believe that shoutiiing too much is embargoed until it’s been on the tele, so please give us a heads-up on here when it’s due on!

Thanks,

Adrian

Norwegian Spitfire No.3

The recovered wreckage of Mk IX Spitfire MJ785 laid out on 18 September 2018.

Mark

Images by Jan Erik Arud.

Code E-SK of 165 Sqn still visible.

There’s still a wishlist somewhere mentioning Stirling, Whitley, Dornier 17/215/217, Heinkel 177 etc.that may be lurking beneath Norwegian waters. The Norwegians are doing fantastic work. And a beautiful country too.
I have been to Gardemoen twice and to Bodo and the collections there are staggering.
Cheers
Cees

While the engine core looks in reasonable condition, the airframe look in very poor condition.
Maybe the spar and leading edge are serviceable, but everything else needs to be replaced.
Corrosion will eat all parts and cause microscopic voids in the material, so the metal will never be as strong as one kept on land (even if sometimes rained on).
Instruments will be useless.
Stick and quadrant maybe fully salvageable, maybe.

DaveM2,
My sources was a native Norwegian who works at a museum, has decades of work with vintage aircraft.
He says (I think he said based on German wartime documents), they list is some 2000 aircraft in all the lakes and fjords in Norway.
Look at how many have been fished out of Norway so far, so I would be inclined to be believe a substantial number does indeed exist.

Some perspective.

No Spitfires were built as Trainer aircraft, they were ALL converted from a single seat aircraft whether by the manufacturer or at some later time.

None of the current Trainer aircraft coming through have been ‘converted’ as they have not started with a complete single seat fuselage to convert from.

The current interest in Trainer aircraft has breathed life into a number of projects that have been struggling to make serious headway as single seat aircraft, so a positive in my view and with the added bonus that more people can then share the experience.

Final point, any work to install a second seat is reversible to bring the aircraft back to single seat configuration. Nothing is final.

Usual caveat applies: the one who pays the bills, makes the decisions

Will there come a day, sometime in the future, when all Messerschmitt Bf 109 are Merlin powered and all Spitfires had 2 seats?

OK, said somewhat in jest but like Cees, I do not understand nor like the current obsession with converting single seat Spitfires into two! I accept that quite rightly, its the owners prerogative to do as they wish with their own property but to my mind, the conversion destroys the historical accuracy of that particular airframe!

Again, like Cees, just my opinion and to show that I have no axe to grind against 2-seat Spitfires, I have no issue with any T.9 originally built as a T.9 (yes, I dare say that some of these were probably taken straight from the production line and converted at that point) and not painted in RAF colours!