Amelia Earhart Plane Fragment Identified? It seems not.

The title of this thread got me thinking….
Anyone suppose they’ll go on the record to correct their earlier assumptions?
Call a news conference with all the outlets that unquestioningly repeated their hyperbole in the past and say…”Maybe we were a bit hasty…”

If would earn them some credit for being honest…but I’m not sure they care.

Niku VIII was a shamozzle, and in fact they went backwards in my view,

1. no anomaly identified,
2. the Divers found Norwich City debris on the North side of the wreck against what was claimed the prevailing currents, making the Bevington Object more rationally to simply be a bit of ship wreck.
3. Dr Kings tourists found perfume bottles in the Company Store indicating that the colonists are the likely source of the freckle bottle etc.
4. While they were away Prof Wright has released his rebuttal of the Tighar claims that the “castaway bones” are from a Nordic female, and has again identified them as per the original identification in 1940 as short male of mixed race.

I pointed out when I was allowed that any “sightings” of “aeroplane wreckage” on the north side of the shipwreck had to be taken with great caution as there was evidence from a kite mounted camera pic (earlier TIGHAR work) that bits of the Norwich City could be seen north of the wreck obviously carried by currents and also that closer to the event as the ship was breaking up there are many things from a shipwreck that aren’t necessarily great heavy chunks of iron that could mimic and easily deceive native observers who claimed that they were seeing a piece of the Earhart aircraft. Got howled down and told that all the data showed the currents only flowed north > south.

TIGHAR were taking seriously islander claims about aircraft wreckage when the islanders had actually never seen an aircraft or aircraft wreckage in their lives. That part of the world was an aircraft free zone in the middle 1930s. Pointed that out too and with the usual result.

I also suggested that the Bevington Object in light of the current flow etc. could be a winch or some other object of a suitable shape from the wreck. Got howled down. As for the claims about the Bevington photo and its “analysis” – gawwwwd!!!!!

I never accepted that the partial skeleton found by Gallagher was so badly identified by the original examiner Dr Hoodless that he mistook Earhart for a short thickset islander male. Talk about taken the evidence and bending it to fit the theory!

As for the freckle cream jar – someone else pointed out on the forum that there was every likelihood that it was of post Earhart origin due to documented evidence of importation to the island during the P*I*S*S days. I got expelled for merely agreeing.

Then we have had the recent attempts, once again against the evidence, to identify that fragment of aluminium as off the Electra when as Mark as pointed out its actually a later manufactured chunk of Alclad. That piece was written of years ago and actually they said so on their forum.

That last trip was a joke – especially the “anomaly”. Shows what happens when you outsource research to amateurs.

But the real clincher is the aerial pics taken by the Navy fliers a few days after the loss during the search and there is no sign of an aircraft on the reef at all – despite there not IIRC being any weather that could have washed it off in the interim.

Too many attempts to either deny evidence or bend random objects to fit the theory.

Mark

Hopefully, TIGHAR won’t find its content of honest criticism so onerous that it will threaten legal action to silence it.

I think some of the people behind this new site would more than enjoy getting Tighar into a court, they have been trying to do so for the best part of 12 months, and have the pockets to afford it.

Things do seem to be quite since their return from the Pacific, with no new “smoking gun” pieces of evidence claimed.

Niku VIII was a shamozzle, and in fact they went backwards in my view,

1. no anomaly identified,
2. the Divers found Norwich City debris on the North side of the wreck against what was claimed the prevailing currents, making the Bevington Object more rationally to simply be a bit of ship wreck.
3. Dr Kings tourists found perfume bottles in the Company Store indicating that the colonists are the likely source of the freckle bottle etc.
4. While they were away Prof Wright has released his rebuttal of the Tighar claims that the “castaway bones” are from a Nordic female, and has again identified them as per the original identification in 1940 as short male of mixed race.

So about 3 Major pillars of their house of cards just got blown over.

I found the chemical composition analysis of the supposed window patch to be very telling. It basically compared levels of chromium, nickel and zinc from the patch and compared to samples from other Lockheeds of the period and samples from American WWII aircraft (namely the Shoo Shoo Baby B-17 at Wright Patterson) and found that chemically, it has more in common with later metals than pre-war material.

http://aviationmystery.com//index.php?topic=50.msg448#msg448

Yes I think that is conclusive evidence that the artefact is not the patch, even worse, I have found an authoritative document that confirms those chemical compositions did not exist in Alcoa production pre-1938, the silver bullet for this zombie smoking gun.

Regards

Mark Pilkington

Mark

Thanks for the link to the new site.

Hopefully, TIGHAR won’t find its content of honest criticism so onerous that it will threaten legal action to silence it.

Things do seem to be quiet since their return from the Pacific, with no new “smoking gun” pieces of evidence claimed.

I found the chemical composition analysis of the supposed window patch to be very telling. It basically compared levels of chromium, nickel and zinc from the patch and compared to samples from other Lockheeds of the period and samples from American WWII aircraft (namely the Shoo Shoo Baby B-17 at Wright Patterson) and found that chemically, it has more in common with later metals than pre-war material.

http://aviationmystery.com//index.php?topic=50.msg448#msg448

“The folks at WIX received a letter from TIGHAR’s attorney threatening legal action unless they took down the TIGHAR-themed threads.”
http://warbirdinformationexchange.or…557139#p557139

The Phoenix rises from the ashes of the WIX Tighar thread smiles

Scott gave those of us debating about Tighar a fair room to move and to be fair some of the content was “playing the man rather than the ball” a bit too much, and so when legal threats starting arriving it was understandable for Scott to pull the pin.

But all is not lost, the debate and critical review of Tighars operations and activities continues at a new home where the owners are less likely to be intimidated and more resourced to respond to any such legal threats.

Hence there is no need to place WIX or KP at any risks.

For those interested in reading some of the past WIX posts there is a small selection of those recovered from the TECTIC archive smiles, while the debate continues over current Earhart project activities in light of a poorly planned and managed Niku VIII expedition.

As well as critical review of other “current” projects such as the TBD Devastator at Jaluit Lagoon, the P-38 “Maid of Harlech” in Wales and of course the oldest and most successful Tighar aircraft recovery project –“The Agaiambo E” / (The Lady in Waiting).

In fact the only aircraft recovery targeted by Tighar that has actually been recovered! Billed at the time as “the largest and most ambitious aviation archaeological operation in History”!

http://aviationmystery.com//index.php#c1

Again thanks to Scott at WIX for his past support to provide a place to openly discuss and critique the claims and activities of Tighar, The International Group for Historical Aircraft Recovery~!

Smiles

Mark Pilkington

Lets not stir the hornets nest.

As Scott himself said – It is what it is.

Bruce

It might be harder/more expensive for TIGHAR to take action against Key if anything were to be posted here. If Keypublishing is UK registered and the servers don’t sit on US soil it might be ok. I’m basing this on my scant knowledge of Copyright/Trademark laws from times a US manufacturer has tried to wage war on overseas sales of ‘counterfeit’ goods. They have a lot of legal muscle within the US but have to resort to posturing and bluffing to get the same results elsewhere. Can TIGHAR afford the services of Carter-Ruck perhaps? Good to know those donations are going to a worthy cause. :applause:

As J Boyle’s post on the previous page summarises, there are a number of threads spun by TIGHAR that lead nowhere. I’m curious as to how they can get a new Amelia story in the Daily Mail every few months.

It might be harder/more expensive for TIGHAR to take action against Key if anything were to be posted here. If Keypublishing is UK registered and the servers don’t sit on US soil it might be ok. I’m basing this on my scant knowledge of Copyright/Trademark laws from times a US manufacturer has tried to wage war on overseas sales of ‘counterfeit’ goods. They have a lot of legal muscle within the US but have to resort to posturing and bluffing to get the same results elsewhere. Can TIGHAR afford the services of Carter-Ruck perhaps? Good to know those donations are going to a worthy cause. :applause:

As J Boyle’s post on the previous page summarises, there are a number of threads spun by TIGHAR that lead nowhere. I’m curious as to how they can get a new Amelia story in the Daily Mail every few months.

Can it be posted here? I know next to nothing about law, but there’s something odd about an advisory legal letter having to remain secret on pain of legal action? Maybe in the US, but here?

I’m not an attorney, but common sense would indicate that any of the documents would be open. If they file a lawsuit, their specific complaints would be public. I don’t see the difference.
You’d think they’d want their “issues” to be public, so other sites/people could take the warning to moderate their speech. This way, it certainly appears that they want to keep this threat confidential.
But it’s Scott’s call to make. He’s the one being threatened with economic ruin.

Can it be posted here? Not necessarily published, but may we be informed as to the content? I know next to nothing about law, but there’s something odd-smelling about the content an advisory legal letter having to remain secret on pain of legal action. Maybe in the US, but here?

Meanwhile over at WIX…
I (and others) asked Scott to share the contents of the letter from TIGHAR’s attorney.
Scott has just posted this reply…

“First off thank you for all the support. There has been addition “advisement’s” of legal action if the letter is published.”

Oh well.

Well that there is a high probability that the missing plane is at the bottom of the ocean, they are still finding remains in the Pacific islands, this report came up yesterday.

Bodies of WWII US Marines recovered in Pacific

@ HP111….

It matters, HP111…. because Two Aircrew are missing… that is why it matters. Don’t ever go missing HP111.

RPM, FF, TGT…

I object – this is uncalled for abuse.

As a matter of interest, how many aircrew have gone missing in the history of civil aviation?

And for those who consider these expeditions a Holiday I would say that being in the tropics on sunglare blistering beaches with hordes of sandflies,leech and insect ridden jungle ,high humidity,limited supplies with search work and survey recording to complete is not a holiday. I have been there,done it and literally got the T shirt( but not for TIGHAR)

Good luck and stay safe for all those explorers who seek discovery of hidden truth.

“Why does it matter ?”

@ HP111….

It matters, HP111…. because Two Aircrew are missing… that is why it matters. Don’t ever go missing HP111.

RPM, FF, TGT…

“Am I leaving anything out?”
….

Also, how about why it matters. (Sorry, I will put that another way: Why does it matter?)

Dagnabbit – could have had a link to Marc Bolan then…. 😀

“Am I leaving anything out?”

Well, you mustn’t forget the people who are convinced she faked her own death and lived a long and happy live in New Jersey under the name of Irene Bolam….

yes, you missed out “Truth is often stranger than fiction”

All (except for the plane sinking) fall into that category.
The buried plane on PNG is quite a story.
Good luck with your search.

We shall see….what we shall see.

@ J Boyle

…yes, you missed out “Truth is often stranger than fiction”

RPM, FF, TGT…