American navy V european (joint) navy

USN could win easily even fight with the rest of whole world’s navies.

US carrier groups vs. europeans? Very very close?!?!

Haha! That was a good laugh…

My dear friend, the wars are eventually fought because political decisions. So if you get a look how GB and US are well suited toghever when we consider the military and political alliance and choices, don’t be surprised if in a eventually war between US and EU ,GB could not take part for the “continentals”. I wouldn’t be surprised if they couls insthead give theyr bases for the US forces. It was happened in almost seriuos crissi from WWII to today. so it could be silly if one don’t think to this eventuality.

first, it must be considered if the RN is a part of the European navies like geography could suggest, or is a part of the US Navy like the political seeems suggest.

You mean like the Kyoto treaty, the ICC, the UN, etc? This is a silly thread to begin with, so you have to go with it otherwise it all falls to pieces.

first, it must be considered if the RN is a part of the European navies like geography could suggest, or is a part of the US Navy like the political seeems suggest.

Apart this, the Europeans have also NUKES .-not me-on hteir SSBN and the US cannot trheat EU without been awarded by a helluva of nukes.
third, depends when the battle is fought. Near the EU coast, as example, ther must been the not exactly dispreceabile effort of the marineflieger wit htornado IDS and other aircrafts. Not only, if we see the overall possibilites also the EU airforces should been involved. In a open ocean this could be only a suicide for europeans and so this will never happen

Russia threatens with nukes..

Both the parties sit tight IN there houses..

ABM/TBM etc are great but not in front of 5000 Warheads..

In a nuke war it will always be the other side who will loose more then Russia.. simply because Russia does not have much to loose anyway..

And 100 ICBMs LEVEL Europe and Russia………..Seriosly…….Does ANYONE think the leaders in Europe would have the stones to spend the Euros that putting that many ships to sea would cost?! And what of the sailor’s unions?

Europe surrenders and sends a phone call for USN to come and sign the formal docs.

250 USN ships sail in grid formation towards france for the expected victory parade.
intimidation and show-of-force is the goal.

2 Oscar subs lying ‘secretly’ within british and french harbours slip off their mooring and
sailing just outside the harbour unleash a salvo of their max loadout towards the
proposed victory parade 😀

then out of the french and british countryside, a mass of Tornadoes, Mirages erupt
from the woodwork to finish off the remants of the Great Fleet.

meantime, off the US atlantic and pacific coasts a mixed force of Akulas and Trafalgars unleash conventional LACM barrage towards the main US submarine hangouts like mystic and kings bay.

A combined europe force of SSK+SSN prowling the shallows of newport news sink two
US CVBGs that attempt to sortie out following news of the massacre and betrayal off the french coast.

Wild-eyed mobs run all over US cities pillaging and burning anything with european connotations, the french and british embassies in NYC are burned to the ground by a mob estimated by police to number 1 million 😀 diplomatic staff escape through the sewers and head for the hills – fast.

…..
china, japan and other nations close their ports and wait to see who’s the winner. in the persian gulf , scores of fully loaded tankers wallow uncertainly.
spot price for a barrel of oil reaches $100.

…..
with world commerce at a standstill, sanity finally reigns and the two warring parties finally conclude a peace treaty in reykjavik.

USN, winner by a landslide.

US excercises recently sortied 6 carriers into battle. Assuming that all of the European carriers are lucky enough to not be undergoing some kind of overhaul, they’ed still be outnumbered.

Toss in the european navy AND air forces and you might have more of a contest. They’d at least have AWACs and other capability then.

Most of the Russian sub force is rusting in harbor. With their accident record, they seem to be more of a danger to themselves than to anyone else.

Without Russia, US would dominate, even without carriers, just flood the area with SSNs. But with Russia, and if their stuff still works, then the large Russian submarine force would cause a lot of problems.

Close to the US coast or mid-Atlantic it would be a US victory. Close to the European coast it is more open as the large amounts of SSKs and FACs would come into play.

All we would need is 1 Battle Group…

Again, you know better than that.

10 large carriers with air groups against 2 medium sized and 2 small ones and 2 tiny ones.

No big deal for the US.

All we would need is 1 Battle Group…

American V european

There is a book (fiction) that roughly has the same scenario,”Cauldron” by Larry Bond (The creator of Haproon , The game)

(Synopsis
With the world’s old alliances and economic order shattered by a ruinous trade war, France and Germany seize the chance to build a new European order. Poland and the Czech Republic stand in their way, and when America and Britain join them, northern Europe explodes into war)

10 large carriers with air groups against 2 medium sized and 2 small ones and 2 tiny ones.

No big deal for the US.

Really depends if russians are with the europeans. Its pretty even steven then.

depends who attacks who..

yes European ships will be very close to the bottom of the ocean……….Either against it or under way to it