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“CDB ME “Rubin” has developed the design of an export non-nuclear missile submarine “Amur-950”, version 2.
Since the role of the missile weapon is steadily increasing, SOE “CDB ME “Rubin” has developed the design of an export non-nuclear missile submarine “Amur-950”, version 2.
The missile armament includes: 10 vertical launching containers with cruise missiles of two modifications:
antiship missile;
missile against land targets.
It is possible to fire salvos of up to 10 missiles in one salvo from under the water.Torpedo weapon includes 4 forward 533 mm torpedo tubes with torpedoes plus 2 spare torpedoes.
The submarine has the newest integrated combat system and excellent habita-bility conditions for the crew. The complement – 18 persons.
Surface displacement of the submarine is about 1150 m3.
The Project is proposed as the basis for joint design or for construction, includ-ing under license.
By: Arabella-Cox - 9th March 2005 at 05:45
Russia’s Arms 2001-2002 is strangly coy about mines. It lists air delivered mines but the only sub launched mines listed are the SMDM (model 3) self propelled bottom mine which is like a cross between a torpedo and a mine. It has options of delayed arming and ship counting and self destruct functions. It is a 533mm weapon that is 6 metres long and weighs 1,400kgs with a 425 kg warhead. It has a max speed of 10 knts and an operational life of 12 months.
The other mine weapon listed is the PMK-2 which is a torpedo mine… a mine that contains a MPT-1M torpedo that is fired at targets as they approach or go by.
By: Indian1973 - 8th March 2005 at 04:02
Blackcat I was musing about
10 VLS tubes each stuffed with 3 mines = 30
20 mines in the torpedo room = 20
30+20 = 50
Mines are underrated but vital in terms of sea denial in shallow waters, like say
a enemy force appears from the east of andaman islands. Mines can be used to close
many of the numerous channels in between the islands, forcing them to take detours
or use some particular channels where PJ-10 ambushes can be laid.
By: Blackcat - 7th March 2005 at 18:53
hows that 1 ssk = 50 mines???….. even the Type-209 can only carry like 25 mines …
but we don have to use mines as out primary offensive system, our main aim is to thrash that comes in our way and for that 3 SSK be good enough in one flank, which means 30 x PJ-10 flying to their destinations, be it the ships or the land targets. Mine laying duty can be entrusted to those subs which don have the capablity to fire missiles. And not risking the heavy weights like those with VLS for PJ-10.
By: Indian1973 - 7th March 2005 at 10:24
does anyone have photos or specs of torpedo tube delivered sea mines ? being the sneaky type I have always been interested in these critters.
I am thinking if they can stuff around 3 mines down each tube and figure out
how to float them off quietly or moor them to the bottom you have a nice
lil minelayer with a huge num of mines if we keep say 2 torps in the front for
self-defence and carry another 20 mines in exchange for 10 torpedoes.
:diablo:
a BlackCat kind of idea. 1 SSK = 50 mines.
3 SSKs operating in a pack with 1 in hunter-killer mode and rest 2 in mine config
would present 100 mines, 10 heavy ASMs, ~16 torpedoes.
By: Wanshan - 5th March 2005 at 13:22
Yes, but isn’t this a new version of the 950 with perhaps a lower load of torps due to the placement of the VLS? :confused:
AFAIK there simply a VLU insert in the rear, there’s no reason to change the front part of the sub, including nnumber of tubes and reloads.
By: Vaiar - 5th March 2005 at 12:53
Yes, but isn’t this a new version of the 950 with perhaps a lower load of torps due to the placement of the VLS? :confused:
By: Wanshan - 5th March 2005 at 10:31
According to Russia’s Arms 2004 the Amur 950 carries 12 torpedos.
I figured as much. Thank you for checking though.
By: Arabella-Cox - 5th March 2005 at 01:54
According to Russia’s Arms 2004 the Amur 950 carries 12 torpedos.
By: Wanshan - 2nd March 2005 at 23:33
Wanshan,
the torpedo amount shud not worry u as what these are meant for is to strike the opponents fleet, so that means even one of these with a couple of escorts from other SSKs wud be a damn good force to deal with.
Well, I don’t know. I wouldn’t let this type of SSK be escorted = more subs = greater chance of detection. Considering both American and Russian underwater strikeplatforms have their own ASW, I would think this would have some too, and just 6 fish ain’t enough IMHO. Also, it seems an odd arrangement of tubes and reloads. Why bother with 4 tubes and just 2 reloads. Instead, I’ld have chosen 6 loaded tubes w/o reloads (max. instantaneous firepower, no reload hassles) or 2 tubes and more reloads (economize on tubes).
By: heeroyui - 2nd March 2005 at 20:28
Hello
Yes Blackcat, the original pic is the Rubin’s site.
The source:
http://www.ckb-rubin.ru/eng/project/submarine/noatompl/index.htm
By: Blackcat - 2nd March 2005 at 19:19
hey man, thats some hella GOOD NEWS , can u give the link to the original pic???……is it from the Rubin’s site??
BTW, my identification and analysis went wrong, atleast in my theory abt the above shown submarine to be a modified Amur-1650, which was displayed at DefExpo 04 in New Delhi.
Here is the discussion thread ……. but good to see that it indeed has 10 VLS …… So now Indian Navy have got 2 subs to choose (Amur-1650 & Amur-950 V2) from the Russian offer in addition to the Scorpene.
Wanshan,
the torpedo amount shud not worry u as what these are meant for is to strike the opponents fleet, so that means even one of these with a couple of escorts from other SSKs wud be a damn good force to deal with.
The icing o these cakes wud be a N-reactor which powers the Russian special purpose subs.
By: Wanshan - 2nd March 2005 at 07:58
That’s no a whole lot of torpedos if just 4+2. How will it protect itself then against other subs? Or is it 4 tubes (=4 fish) plus 2 reloads for each tube (= another 8 fish, making a total of 12 torpedos to complement 10 missiles)?
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