Amy Winehouse found dead aged 27

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clearly staying on topic is not possible, and the thread has solved its purpose.

Servicemen fall into the category of those who have fought and died for their country – see my earlier post.

Apart from those who know me, I will not be remembered, nor will you.:)

Do we really know that she caused her family hurt and pain?? Do you not think that as a child she may have given her family joy -does it always have to be negative when in reality we cannot know anything of her family relationships unless we are actually a member of her family.

Why do people hark back to role models -she was a singer not a Blue Peter presenter – exactly what image is expected of them ?? Do we have to rely on the tabloids to scrutinise every personalities excesses and failings as entertainment for ourselves???

I feel sympathy for her family, for all the hurt and pain she has caused them along the way, but the reality is she was simply an awful role model for many thousands of the ‘poor me’ generation who venerated her…

Skyhigh -We will all be remembered by someone

Luckily people still turned up at Royal Wootton Basset to honour ‘our’ people returning from Afghanistan and Iraq -people in your terms ‘we do not know and can have no feelings for’ – what a sad world it will be if compassion – empathy and sympathy run dry!

agree to disagree lads…. and stay on topic, please.

” any man’s death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind….”

Yes, a very well known quotation which I have always felt was flawed as Donne never had a tyrant whose death might diminish him. Would he have written those words after Stalin, Po9l Pot, Hitler, Mao and those just in the 20th century?

We are all involved in mankind as was Breivik. But we all have very different roles to play. Some of us will be missed and some not.

I respectfully disagree. It is now fashionable to feel sympathy and kindness towards people we do not know and therefore can have no feelings for.

Spot on could not agree with you more.

“No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main; if a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as if a manor of thy friends or of thine own were; any man’s death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind; and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.” John Donne “Meditations“

On the whole, I think John Donne had it more or less spot-on.

Nice thought ! -there is no cost -subscription-app-thread-download to enable sympathy -indeed its pretty much a human characteristic

I am proud that I can show sympathy to fellow members of the human race whether they are known personally to me or not……

Planemike

What a bizarre thread ! If you dont like her music -her morals – her lifestyle why do you really care about commenting on her in any way??

Surely the whole idea of a thread like this is to acknowledge the death of someone who maybe touched a few with her music – certainly she had a talent whether you recognise it or not .

There is no ‘fashion’ for having compassion or sympathy for the death of someone -are people completely heartless or has the internet created a generation that can have instant judgement on someone when they are not even cold !

A death is a death and loss to someone no matter what the circumstances.

Exactly, to someone, in this instance it’s irrelevant to most of us.

I think most of us here feel we owe a debt to those who fought to preserve us from a dictatorial tyranny. I feel no debt towards Amy Whitehouse nor to a million others who I do not know and who died in “tragic” circumstances. I am not sure why any death is more tragic than another, to be honest, except by virtue of the age of the deceased.

Fashion does not come into it, it is an inate human trait (for many but not all) to feel sympathy for anyone who suffers a loss.

The exception is towards those who fought to preserve our freedoms and lost their lives in the process and to whom we owe that debt.

Why make this one exception?? A death is a death and loss to someone no matter what the circumstances.

Planemike

I respectfully disagree. It is now fashionable to feel sympathy and kindness towards people we do not know and therefore can have no feelings for. It is rather like the daughter of someone living in the same town dying at a young age. One can commiserate with the parents but how can we have feelings for the individual?

The exception is towards those who fought to preserve our freedoms and lost their lives in the process and to whom we owe that debt.

What one thinks of her music is not the issue. Not my style of music but I do feel compassion for the death of a 27 year old in tragic circumstances. What would her family feel were they to read some the words written on here? Unlikely to happen, I grant you, but I would sooner they read words of sympathy rather than the harsh uncaring words from some posters. At a time such as this it may be better to say nothing if you are unable to offer kindness and sympathy.

Planemike

Heartless? I think some of us for whom neither she nor her music meant anything feel nothing for her death either. We have expressed the normal sympathies for her loss with those who loved her.

Certainly surprised at the heartless comments of some respondents to this forum. One has to wonder how they would feel if a tragic event of this sort took one of their “nearest and dearest” at the age of 27, or any age come to that.

Planemike