Another Flug-Werke '190 airborne

Can you fly these planes everywhere but England and Scandinavia? 😡

http://forums.airshows.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=19325

Looks like ones leaving the UK.

Hmmmmm beaten into submission by the CAA I suspect – you cant say that ARC didnt try very hard to achieve a UK based airworthy 190 but……..Makes the UK look a bit like a laughing stock though – was it that same CAA Dept (cant remember her name at the moment) that has grounded all of TFC’s G reg planes involved?

Cant help thinking that the CAA Department involved is trying hard to validate the CAA’s nickname – Campaign Against Avaition

I would think that questions would need to be raised if that 190 is up and flying in say 6 months of arrival in Germany after 2 years(?) in the Uk.

Hmmmmm beaten into submission by the CAA I suspect – you cant say that ARC didnt try very hard to achieve a UK based airworthy 190 but……..Makes the UK look a bit like a laughing stock though – was it that same CAA Dept (cant remember her name at the moment) that has grounded all of TFC’s G reg planes involved

Be careful what you slur at a personal level within the CAA Proplover, I suspect that you may not have the big picture.

The body are there to govern and direct and if they were wrong, do you not think that the owners of large collections would attempt to take legal action if they were having their noses put out of joint??

ATB
C 6

Wasn’t it posted somewhere that the CAA had notified the aircrafts operators regarding what was required to get the ‘190’ certified.. and were waiting to hear back from them?

Does anyone know what happened to Tom Blair’s ‘Dora?’-I seem to remember it taxying some time ago but hasn’t flown yet (afaik!)

And the video
http://www.youtube.com/user/bobrussellairshows#p/u/0/i7OFrZpqFGQ

The second Butcher Bird to fly in less than a year. Can only be a good thing:D

Not to start a shooting match but why did’nt they allow the 190 to fly in the UK?

Broadly, the 190’s are deemed ‘new’ aircraft by the CAA as opposed to restorations. They therefore have to conform to a stringent series of checks which any new aircraft would have to undergo to attain certification.

It would be easier – (though by no means easy!) to put an original 190 through the Permit to fly system.

Care should be taken when criticising the CAA – there is a well laid down procedure which must be followed in order to operate any aircraft in UK skies.

Bruce

I understood that, from the CAA’s point of view, one of the problems with the new build 190’s was that they weren’t exact replicas ie there were structural changes from the original design. Presumerably the CAA regard these changes as unproven hence the extra work involved in getting one registered here.
I also believe that there have been problems with the electrics and hydraulics on the one that appeared at Legends and that it has since been modified to overcome these problems.
In view of the above maybe the CAA were right to err on the side of caution but on the other hand wasn’t ESA meant to standardise certification across the EU and if this is the case it seems odd that the rules for certiifcation of new build 190’s aren’t universal across the whole EU.

Broadly, the 190’s are deemed ‘new’ aircraft by the CAA as opposed to restorations. They therefore have to conform to a stringent series of checks which any new aircraft would have to undergo to attain certification.

So how come they fly elsewhere with what seems to be such ease?

Interesting four bladed propellor. Not sure the 190 ever operated with such an airscrew. Also it looks as though cowling profile is different to other flug werk examples. Is it still running an Asch radial?

Chris I think the answer to your question is here
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=97035

So how come they fly elsewhere with what seems to be such ease?

Simply because they have different rules elsewhere. They apply to all the aircraft we enjoy – including all the Spitfires, Hurricanes and so on.

The 190 was being dismantled when I arrived at DX this morning (in the snow!)

I understood that, from the CAA’s point of view, one of the problems with the new build 190’s was that they weren’t exact replicas ie there were structural changes from the original design. Presumerably the CAA regard these changes as unproven hence the extra work involved in getting one registered here.
I also believe that there have been problems with the electrics and hydraulics on the one that appeared at Legends and that it has since been modified to overcome these problems.
In view of the above maybe the CAA were right to err on the side of caution but on the other hand wasn’t ESA meant to standardise certification across the EU and if this is the case it seems odd that the rules for certiifcation of new build 190’s aren’t universal across the whole EU.

There are no hydraulics in a 190 – it is an all electric aeroplane, with the exception of the brakes.

The Flugwerk aircraft are structurally similar to the original, with very different systems.

Bruce

Chris I think the answer to your question is here
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=97035

Thanks WJ244, that does indeed answer the question. It’s certainly different!
There wouldn’t be a snowflake chance in hell that this aircraft could fly over here!

There are no hydraulics in a 190 – it is an all electric aeroplane, with the exception of the brakes.

The Flugwerk aircraft are structurally similar to the original, with very different systems.

Bruce

Thanks Bruce – I didn’t realise that as my major interest in usually in civil types. I think I am right in saying that they have experienced problems with the systems on the French 190 and in view of this maybe the CAA were wise to err on the side of caution.

Simply because they have different rules elsewhere. They apply to all the aircraft we enjoy – including all the Spitfires, Hurricanes and so on.

Yes, I do understand that. I just don’t understand how these rules can differ so greatly, even within the EU. The Brits think they’re a hazard and won’t let them fly, while the Germans and the French think they’re fine. Obviously these people didn’t go to the same school to study now did they? Where’s the truth then? with the CAA? With the Germans and the French or somewhere in between? We’re talking fly and no fly, a major difference in policies.

The 190 was being dismantled when I arrived at DX this morning (in the snow!)

…and you didn’t call in for a cuppa? Shame on you, Bruce…:)

I’ll pop in and see you next week!