March 21, 2008 at 12:37 pm
In conversation the other day I was told that another Wellington had been found intact on the seabed- no idea where or when it had been found.Can anyone shed any light on this report?
The only one I know of in recent years was an article about one discovered by a German team 400 feet down in the Med- this was backed up by a photo in the same article-are these two one & the same?
By: SMS88 - 31st March 2008 at 20:10
Here is your answer, together with a shot of the cockpit area.
Thankyou:) it doesnt look too rotten,perhaps many castings can be cleaned for reuse in any future rebuild
By: Arabella-Cox - 30th March 2008 at 13:44
Yes, it was. Makes me wonder why we went to all that trouble…not to mention being rescued by an ASR RN Wessex! 😮
By: Cees Broere - 30th March 2008 at 12:03
Was that the Pagham Harbour Typhoon?
Cheers
Cees
By: Arabella-Cox - 29th March 2008 at 12:06
No…scrapped! An incredible amount of other material was thrown away, too. Thank heavens for aviation museums, eh?
By: DaveR - 29th March 2008 at 12:00
I am speechless…..I take it they were actually scrapped? Would have thought it was alot of effort to split the stainless steel, castings and tubes from the Typhoon…wouldn’t have left alot of steel!!!
By: Arabella-Cox - 29th March 2008 at 10:47
Its worse than that….they PAID the scrapman to take them away!
By: DaveR - 29th March 2008 at 10:28
did I remember correctly that this happened in the 1990’s? what were they thinking when they got rid of all those items….I would have thought that at that time they would have been worth more to the museum being sold to collectors than the scrap man
By: Arabella-Cox - 29th March 2008 at 10:21
Yes, it was the one I/we sweated blood and tears to get…only for a certain museum to scrap it. The scrap man also took a Ju 88 undercarriage door, a Ju 87 Jumo 211 engine, Gladiator exhaust ring, DH prop assembly (Spit V), He 177 main leg, He 111 wing parts, Me 109 F tail unit….I forget what else.
By: DaveR - 29th March 2008 at 08:37
what a shame on the Typhoon…what is the history behind this recovery? was this the one at Tangmere museum or another one? Still looking for some main spars 10 years down the line…and there they were lol
By: XH668 - 28th March 2008 at 22:28
so i spose there a very few wreks in the uk.
If there are any i spose they would be deep down in the sea or on sum mountain top
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By: adrian_gray - 28th March 2008 at 21:51
Adrian
I will pm you with contact details for someone who probably has pics!
Thanks for reminder.
Please do, Andy – salivating in anticipation!
Adrian
By: Arabella-Cox - 28th March 2008 at 20:44
There have been many breakdowns and tears over Typhoons lol I would love to see your Typhoon pics though
Here’s one to be going on with. See how bored the chap on the left is? Probably why they scrapped it and a pair of undercarriage legs!!! Aaaargh 😮
By: Arabella-Cox - 28th March 2008 at 17:25
Adrian
I will pm you with contact details for someone who probably has pics!
Thanks for reminder.
By: adrian_gray - 28th March 2008 at 17:17
There’s always East Sutton pics (I hope!)
Adrian
(not stirring – honest!)
By: DaveR - 28th March 2008 at 17:16
There have been many breakdowns and tears over Typhoons lol I would love to see your Typhoon pics though
By: Arabella-Cox - 28th March 2008 at 16:51
Cees mentioned there are enough parts in the UK to build a third Wellington…there are numerous other examples where there are enough parts to build a complete example of a rare aircraft one being a Typhoon. Trying to get all these parts in one place is the difficult part….one day maybe!!!
I suppose I’d better find the Typhoon pics then? Maybe not. You’ll burst into tears and have a breakdown!
By: Arabella-Cox - 28th March 2008 at 16:45
Back on track with Wellingtons….who would have thought that this was laying in a field near Honnington in 1968? Left there to dash over to Duxford and watch Battle of Britain filming where I stood on the fenceline about where the M11 now is having carted away a control yoke from said Wimpey! As you can see…its been a rainy day and I’ve been rummaging in photos and memories. Ah…those were the days!
By: DaveR - 28th March 2008 at 16:40
Cees mentioned there are enough parts in the UK to build a third Wellington…there are numerous other examples where there are enough parts to build a complete example of a rare aircraft one being a Typhoon. Trying to get all these parts in one place is the difficult part….one day maybe!!!
By: Arabella-Cox - 28th March 2008 at 16:19
Does anybody have the identity of this Spit to share? I have read absolutely nothing in Flypast or on this site about German lake recoveries
Here is your answer, together with a shot of the cockpit area.
By: Mondariz - 24th March 2008 at 06:17
No – the value is there once the wreck is successfully salvaged. Whether or not there is any restoration process in place does not affect its value at that stage.
I think i was trying to write something like that – but failed :p
I should not have used the word actual.
It was not the financial value of buying the salvaged wreck, but the the idea that the wreck is something on its own (this is without counting those near-perfect aircraft that is sometimes found). Most of those wrecks (in particular seawater wrecks) are no longer aircraft in any mechanical/structural sense. They are metal with a past:p
If someone buys the wreck, without having the possibility of presevation/restoration, I would say that the transaction had no value. Although the person might have paid for the wreck, it will continue to deteriorate.
If i purchased an elephant, it would have no value to me. I don’t know how to care for an elephant, and I have no actual use for an elephant. This transaction would have no value for neither me, nor the elephant.
Handeling a mangled pile of metal takes vision. Someone has to see the historic aircraft inside, and recognise the possibilities for preservation/restoration — and be able to realise those possibilities.
The kind of wreck-selling mentioned above, is a creation of a fake sellers marked, when the marked is actually a buyers marked. It is the buyer who has the vision and its the buyer who must spend time and money getting the project forward. The buyer would know the starting price for the work, a price that fits the whole budget.
An unsold high-price wreck do not represent a value, because the wreck will never be sold. We are (strangely enough) finding more wrecks these days, due to recreational diving and the fact that more people are looking. My bet is, that there are more salvaged wrecks around, than there are people prepared (and able) to restore. People who are actually looking for a wreck know exactly how much they are able to pay for it.
A wreck everybody wants to buy, not thats a value.