Anti-flash white and Vulcans

The QRA sheds are a work of art, and you should be knighted for re-building them! That act alone has saved your lightnings for many years to come… good effort![/QUOTE]

Thanks, I must admit, that at times durning the last 4 years of the rebiuld I have felt like we should be locked up in straight jackets for attempting it, if we had known 12 years what we know now 😮

But I firmly belive we are over the hump and the rest will be easier.

We will always keep trying to preserve them both.

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…… takes the point loads exertied by a 16 ton lightning and aircraft such as the Vulcan = £32,000 total this cost come from the following:

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Hope that gives you an idea of the mamoth task we have just completed

Cheers
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Would be nice to see a Vulcan white, but I can only imagine the headaches with keeping it clean if its outside, our camo and grey ‘little’ Lightnings are a pain in the a***, which is where this started I think, going for a lie down now 😀

That would it with our forcasted budget. In case you couldn’t tell, I have had nothing whatsoever to do with the planning….:o

The QRA sheds are a work of art, and you should be knighted for re-building them! That act alone has saved your lightnings for many years to come… good effort!

🙂

I think that you will need a bit more than 40 tonnes of hardcore / concrete if it is to hold the weight of a Vulcan – ask the Lightning Group at Bruntingthorpe about how much they used for their QRA shed.

See post #331 on the link below:

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=48646&page=12&highlight=Lightning+Bruntingthorpe

Sorry to be boring, and getting off the thread abit but as this subject is very close to my heart here’s the facts and costs of our ‘little’ shed, all 12,000sq ft of it + the 12,000sq ft apron = 24,000sqft

Hardcore (cant be just any old rubbish needs to be the right size and crushed) = x 30 10 tons lorry loads = £9,000 and that was with ‘favours etc’ 😉

Rollering down to 50 ton = £4000 again done with ‘favours’

Concrete grade C50, (top level concrete £59 per ton, cheap price) takes the point loads exertied by a 16 ton lightning and aircraft such as the Vulcan = £32,000 total this cost come from the following:

250 cubic metres of concete, reinforcing wire, poly membrain, shuttering, laying and polishing again all done with ‘favours’

Hope that gives you an idea of the mamoth task we have just completed

Cheers
🙂

Would be nice to see a Vulcan white, but I can only imagine the headaches with keeping it clean if its outside, our camo and grey ‘little’ Lightnings are a pain in the a***, which is where this started I think, going for a lie down now 😀

Which Vulcan is it that is to recieve your lavish attentions? 😉

Ive got half a tin of dulux in the garage for the first vulcan interested, they can even have the broken fence post mixing stick.

Has anyone any idea if it was only the V-bombers and TSR2 that were painted white or were other aircraft? Im guessing it would only be those nuclear capable but was anything else used?Canberras perhaps?

thanks… do you also have a completely solid paint brush?… ours sadly still have bristles which are soft…

The Saunders Roe SR177 (or whatever that SR aircraft at Cosford is…The one with the missiles on the wing tips… I’m sure you know wht I mean!). That was white.

Buccaneers?

Roger Smith.

Yes, the S1s were first painted white.

Has anyone any idea if it was only the V-bombers and TSR2 that were painted white or were other aircraft? Im guessing it would only be those nuclear capable but was anything else used?Canberras perhaps?

Buccaneers?

Roger Smith.

Ive got half a tin of dulux in the garage for the first vulcan interested, they can even have the broken fence post mixing stick.

Has anyone any idea if it was only the V-bombers and TSR2 that were painted white or were other aircraft? Im guessing it would only be those nuclear capable but was anything else used?Canberras perhaps?

I agree with your line of thought but the QRA hanger had to have a base to support moving aircraft hence the amount of concrete used, for a vulcan then surely three heavyweight pads for the undercarriage would suffice.

The rest of the base can be lightweight so making quite a considerable cost saving. John.

As long as you can erect the building around/over the Vulcan and are 100% certain it’s never going to move.

Roger Smith.

I agree with your line of thought but the QRA hanger had to have a base to support moving aircraft hence the amount of concrete used, for a vulcan then surely three heavyweight pads for the undercarriage would suffice.

The rest of the base can be lightweight so making quite a considerable cost saving.

Regards,

John.

Whilst I’m not a Quantity Surveyor or Structural Engineer I believe that the point loading for the Vulcan undercarriage is significantly higher than that of a Lightning, static or moving. As a consequence the amount of hardcore, reinforcing and concrete could be significantly higher.

40 tonnes worth is only two lorry loads – Newark had an on-site crushing plant running solidly for three or more days to provide recycled hardcore for their second hangar. This produced more than a thousand tonnes for the base of their hangar floor, which was then topped out with crushed limestone before the concrete was finally poured.

I think that you will need a bit more than 40 tonnes of hardcore / concrete if it is to hold the weight of a Vulcan – ask the Lightning Group at Bruntingthorpe about how much they used for their QRA shed.

See post #331 on the link below:

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=48646&page=12&highlight=Lightning+Bruntingthorpe

I agree with your line of thought but the QRA hanger had to have a base to support moving aircraft hence the amount of concrete used, for a vulcan then surely three heavyweight pads for the undercarriage would suffice.

The rest of the base can be lightweight so making quite a considerable cost saving.

Regards,

John.

I think that you will need a bit more than 40 tonnes of hardcore / concrete if it is to hold the weight of a Vulcan – ask the Lightning Group at Bruntingthorpe about how much they used for their QRA shed.

See post #331 on the link below:

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=48646&page=12&highlight=Lightning+Bruntingthorpe

it was only a guess…….. 😮

That said, the plan is to get our vulc under a roof, but that might not happen this year. Once it is indoors, a great deal of skin work will have to be done especially around the fin, so we may yet get a white vulcan. Can’t say for sure though. I need about 40 tonnes of concrete for a hardstanding / hangar base first…..

I think that you will need a bit more than 40 tonnes of hardcore / concrete if it is to hold the weight of a Vulcan – ask the Lightning Group at Bruntingthorpe about how much they used for their QRA shed.

See post #331 on the link below:

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=48646&page=12&highlight=Lightning+Bruntingthorpe

That said, the plan is to get our vulc under a roof, but that might not happen this year. Once it is indoors, a great deal of skin work will have to be done especially around the fin, so we may yet get a white vulcan. Can’t say for sure though. I need about 40 tonnes of concrete for a hardstanding / hangar base first…..

I, too, would love to see a Vulcan in all white.

However, echoing Lindy Lad’s comment, many years ago when I was involved in discussions about one of the preserved Vulcan’s repaint the big problem with a white finish was the many dirty vertical streaks that quickly appear with ‘dirty’ rain – as opposed to general discolouration. Trying to keep something the size of a Vulcan clean (and presentable) is hard enough.

Roger Smith.

…. I’m sure I read some where once that XH558 was going to be repainted white at some point, when flying.

This would be great to see. Is this true?

There was talk of this and several times I have mentioned that I would like to see XH558 repainted white, but I think the concencous of opinion is that Vulcans wore camouflage for longer than they were white and to represent the most well-known livery, she will stay in the scheme she is in now. Apart from that, as if they haven’t got enough financial problems, I can’t see them spending out on a complete strip down and repaint in white. A great shame, but there it is! Likewise, I think if any museum’s Vulcan is in good condition, they will not consider a repaint due to cost.

…. I’m sure I read some where once that XH558 was going to be repainted white at some point, when flying.

This would be great to see. Is this true?

To be honest, I suggested it at my local museum on sunday – our Vulcan is about to be restored and painted. The problem is keeping the beasty clean! White discolours very quickly, but if anyone disagrees, PLEASE tell me! I’d love to see another white Vulcan…..