Any Airliners.net guys…?

Take pictures for yourself, not for airliners.net. Upload to airliners.net those that meet their criteria – there are other outlets for the rest, here being an example.

That’s the best advivice.
I have a hundred photos at airliners, most of them will be rejected today, and I have surprises in what people think is interesting or what is not when they are aceppted.
For example, my most viewed photois a Mirage with his armemnt options that i don’t think is a great photo. One of my last accepted ones, I think that was going to be a succes,it was funny, the exact moment, starting a Texan eith the ground crew losing his cap ……..naaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, only has 2 hundred visits…. :rolleyes:

I read your comments with great interest – I have been trying for a long time to get my images on airliners.net, without success, but I still persevere.

I am just curious now, I have many images on airfleets.net and wondered why the same images are rejected by airliners.net. I understand that the two sites are different and have different objectives but I would appreciate some constructive criticism over my images and their inability to meet the criteria of airliners.net
http://www.airfleets.net/photo/?membre=21344

Hiya,

Just had a quick look through the first 3 pages of you pictures…you have some excellent stuff there…

From an Anet point of view, many have bits of the wing or tail clipped off, and many are also low in the frame.

Read the FAQ, follow the ‘rules’ and you’ll get some in. Any picture thats not showing the entire aircraft will be much harder to get accepted.

I take pictures for myself, re-edit my favs/best to Anet criteria and bung ’em in when I have time or get bored!! I’m still slowly working through last years shots.

Its great fun to ‘sneak’ a marginal shot thro, I’ve had some quite poor ones make it…all good fun for those long dark winter nights.. 😀

A.net Rejection/Screening

I read your comments with great interest – I have been trying for a long time to get my images on airliners.net, without success, but I still persevere.

I am just curious now, I have many images on airfleets.net and wondered why the same images are rejected by airliners.net. I understand that the two sites are different and have different objectives but I would appreciate some constructive criticism over my images and their inability to meet the criteria of airliners.net
http://www.airfleets.net/photo/?membre=21344

I wouldn’t say I was “senior” – there were three head screeners, then the rest. I was one of the longer serving screeners (from the first group recruited after the original eight) until I stopped a year or so ago. There were at the time three screeners who really propped up the operation in terms of number of pics screened, out of a team of 15 or so. I liked to be in position five or six, way behind the top three but far more busy than most. For a long while I maintained that position, then gradually my numbers fell off until I did virtually none.

For a long time I defended a.net and its policies very vigourously, and I believed in what I said. Sure the adverse comments were painful at times, but all the adverse comments about bias and favouritism were untrue, and if you genuinely know that to be the case its easy to either ignore the comments or defend a.net.

My biggest problem in the longer term was that I started to disagree with some of the standards that were set, particularly in respect of things like cloning. For example I am entirely comfortable with photographers cloning out extraneous items like lamp posts in the background, etc, to make the overally photo better as long as its done so well that its undetectable and as long as the aeroplane itself is not manipulated. In this, I disagree with a.net policy. I also started getting disappointed at seeing some images rejected, especially old and potentially historically important images, images of subjects that the site didn’t have, because they didn’t meet quality standards. Some of the screeners are not aviation enthusiasts, so they make decisions based on the photos rather than on the uniqueness of the subject. There were rules that were meant to allow such images to be accepted, but it didn’t always happen like that.

As I said, there is no bias or favouritism in the screening – of that, I am entirely sure. The biggest problem is that as the screening team has grown, so the INTERPRETATION of the standards as applied by each screener may differ slightly – what one screen thinks is good enough, the next might not. There is a policing process but it is inadequate to really ensure that every screener in what is now a large team is screening to precisely the same standards and measures. And the checks and balances in the system are insufficient to catch and correct errant screeners before they end up causing upset amongst the photographers. Of course, with more and more photographers coming along with 350Ds or D50s by the day, losing one or two regulars is hardly a problem for a.net.

Eventually you realise that there are far more outlets for aviation pictures than a.net -for example, most of my new stuff goes to AirTeamImages now and I get far more out of that than I do from a.net. I still put a few pics on a.net, but not many – I can’t be bothered with battling with a process that is fair but flawed and stacked against the photographer.

Anyway, enough of all that.

Andy

Take pictures for yourself, not for airliners.net. Upload to airliners.net those that meet their criteria – there are other outlets for the rest, here being an example.

But in general, the arm and the water bottle are distracting – I’m sure that the arm at the top right, in particular, wasn’t where it was for more than a few seconds. So yes, either wait, ask if he wouldn’t mind putting his arm down, adjust your position slightly so that extraneous objects aren’t in the frame, or just accept that you’ve gotten a interesting shot that you can still enjoy even if others don’t see it.

Andy

Cheers for that Andy.

Life must have been pretty hard as a screener, I can imagine! It must be pretty harsh when you really enjoy looking at a photo, but something means you gotta reject it. And then putting up with the complaints and angry appeals! Were you quite senior in the team?

What would a.net expect me to have done about the problems in the cockpit shot? I’m thinking about when I am able to get cockpit access in the future. Ask the pilot to move?!

Take pictures for yourself, not for airliners.net. Upload to airliners.net those that meet their criteria – there are other outlets for the rest, here being an example.

But in general, the arm and the water bottle are distracting – I’m sure that the arm at the top right, in particular, wasn’t where it was for more than a few seconds. So yes, either wait, ask if he wouldn’t mind putting his arm down, adjust your position slightly so that extraneous objects aren’t in the frame, or just accept that you’ve gotten a interesting shot that you can still enjoy even if others don’t see it.

Andy

My thoughts… Please note that I am NOT suggesting that I always agree with a.net’s decision making processes, but what follows is WHY I think your pics have been rejected based on knowing something about that process;

1. The flight deck shot

There are two problems. First, the rather distracting arm top right (and the ugly water bottle bottom right FWIW). Second, the flash glare on the autopilot panel and to a limited degree on the EFIS screens – a.net does not like flight deck pics with flash glare. Do not bother to appeal this rejection – the problems are insurmountable, its an easy badmotiv call, and appeal will only support the original decision

2. The cabin shot

Less sure about this one. It looks a little soft but I’m on a lap top screen right now so its difficult to be sure. Not really sure about the motiv thing, but in principal I think that the pic would be better had you stood up to take it – it is a bit all seat backs and overhead bins. Whether I would have rejected it had I been screening and had the quality been there – dunno

Andy

Many thanks for your opinions Andy.

What would a.net expect me to have done about the problems in the cockpit shot? I’m thinking about when I am able to get cockpit access in the future. Ask the pilot to move?!

My thoughts… Please note that I am NOT suggesting that I always agree with a.net’s decision making processes, but what follows is WHY I think your pics have been rejected based on knowing something about that process;

1. The flight deck shot

There are two problems. First, the rather distracting arm top right (and the ugly water bottle bottom right FWIW). Second, the flash glare on the autopilot panel and to a limited degree on the EFIS screens – a.net does not like flight deck pics with flash glare. Do not bother to appeal this rejection – the problems are insurmountable, its an easy badmotiv call, and appeal will only support the original decision

2. The cabin shot

Less sure about this one. It looks a little soft but I’m on a lap top screen right now so its difficult to be sure. Not really sure about the motiv thing, but in principal I think that the pic would be better had you stood up to take it – it is a bit all seat backs and overhead bins. Whether I would have rejected it had I been screening and had the quality been there – dunno

Andy

Just to bump this back up, the images are now appearing.

I just see “Image Not Available”. If you post a valid link, as a FORMER airlines.net screener who is (a) happy to take a conflicting view to a.net when appropriate and (b) prepared to defend a lot of what happens behind the scenes at a.net when people make unjustified adverse comments, I would be happy to offer an opinion.

Andy

Hi Andy, sorry about the photos not showing up. I’m in a hurry to get to 6th form right now, I shall upload them from a different location this evening. Please check back then!

I just see “Image Not Available”. If you post a valid link, as a FORMER airlines.net screener who is (a) happy to take a conflicting view to a.net when appropriate and (b) prepared to defend a lot of what happens behind the scenes at a.net when people make unjustified adverse comments, I would be happy to offer an opinion.

Andy

Also, seeing as we don’t really have one, this thread could be for people to post rejections from the photo sites to see if there is anything obvious the other guys can spot which made it get that rejection. Then a thread of good contructive critisism could be made.

Good God please no!

Airwhiners net has its own forums where you can discuss these problems.

Also, seeing as we don’t really have one, this thread could be for people to post rejections from the photo sites to see if there is anything obvious the other guys can spot which made it get that rejection. Then a thread of good contructive critisism could be made.