Any one fancy a Draken?

Yes, XR757 now resides at Scampton.

Regards,

John.

Thanks very much John, I do like to try and keep our website current !

As the cockpit of XS457 has been seen at Binbrook, is the cockpit section which has gone to Scampton XR757 ?

Yes, XR757 now resides at Scampton.

Regards,

John.

Its A-011, and I think came direct from Denmark.

Cheers

A-011 was sold to New Waltham Museum.

Probably pulled when someone in the Danish government read the listing and their lawyers contacted the seller.

It was finished early : [The seller ended this listing early because the item is no longer available for sale.]:diablo:

Well she has gone off of Ebay now ……… i wonder where she is going ,if anywhere? 😉

To be precise, no bids, no sale. 🙂

Perhaps a full explanation should have been given for those who are not in the know as such, This airframe and several others are stored privately in a garden at Grainthorpe.

During the last couple of months there has been several movements that have been quite significant, the Starfighter to Bruntingthorpe, XR770 will be going to Waddo and a cockpit section has gone to Scampton.

John.

As the cockpit of XS457 has been seen at Binbrook, is the cockpit section which has gone to Scampton XR757 ?

It may have been made in Sweden, but it was made FOR Denmark, who operated and then sold it on.

When you buy a used car, do you say it belonged to the previous owner… or do you refer to it by the dealership that sold it when new?

The title says it all really

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SAAB-DRAKEN-COMPLETE-FULL-SIZE-AEROPLANE_W0QQitemZ120301576266QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item120301576266&_trkparms=39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A7%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

The e bay blurb says Own a “Danish” fighter, many of us will point out that is a Swedish fighter!!!!
Ken

If anyone has the ID number I can look it up.

Its A-011, and I think came direct from Denmark.

Cheers

Originally Posted by TwinOtter23
Why promote it as a ‘ground runner’ and then put in the following..

“… being sold for scrap to avoid contravening the original agreement with the Danish Air Force.”

Maybe this just meens `Dont sell it to anybody who might use it against` in a USAF/USN paranoid kind of way.

Denmark has very strict laws regarding “weapon sales”. My guess is that some clause in the original contract states that it can never fly again.

It was even a problem when they sold their Chipmunks back in the late 70’s. Although reason prevailed.

Its likely that this Draken (I can’t see the Ebay listing) was part of the group sold to “Flight test dynamics” in California. Besides them, only 4 other organisations owns ex RDAF Drakens.

If anyone has the ID number I can look it up.

One at Newark, one at Dumfries and one in Wales….

The Draken in S.Wales being the gateguard for Irvin, them of parachute and associated straping fame.

Hi Roger,
You may be correct in they did indeed donate the J29, as you say it was a long time ago…:eek:
I was mereley using that as an example of what happens to airframes which are loaned to collections that subsiquently fail.

I have no desire to see the J35 end up as coke cans, but as you know yourself as time passes people sometimes forget (or never knew) the origin of some of the airframes on display in our many and varied collections up and down the country.

One of the benefits of Museum Registration / Accreditation is the requirement to tie up all the documentation relating to ownership of aircraft and artefacts.

Just reading the latest Flypast and a briefings article states that the aircraft was listed on “a well-known internet auction site in late July. The listing was ended early as the item was no longer for sale”

Originally Posted by TwinOtter23
Why promote it as a ‘ground runner’ and then put in the following..

“… being sold for scrap to avoid contravening the original agreement with the Danish Air Force.”

Maybe this just meens `Dont sell it to anybody who might use it against` in a USAF/USN paranoid kind of way.

Hi Roger,
You may be correct in they did indeed donate the J29, as you say it was a long time ago…:eek:
I was mereley using that as an example of what happens to airframes which are loaned to collections that subsiquently fail.

I have no desire to see the J35 end up as coke cans, but as you know yourself as time passes people sometimes forget (or never knew) the origin of some of the airframes on display in our many and varied collections up and down the country.

….. This was how the J29 ended up at Coventry, as the aircraft reverted back to the Swedish AF after Southend failed and was subsequntly then loaned by them to the MAM…….

Mark, it’s a long time ago but my recollection is that the Swedes were persuaded to donate the J.29 after it was pointed out how much work would be required to restore it and make it displayable. This “persuasion” extended to them delivering a replacement canopy to Baginton.

Roger Smith.

Mark,

A very good and valid point on ownership, this collection has had a chequered history and at least now two of the airframes have been given a second lease of life.

Hopefully the remaining airframes will get the treatment they deserve.

Regards,

John.

Well she has gone off of Ebay now ……… i wonder where she is going ,if anywhere? 😉

Why promote it as a ‘ground runner’ and then put in the following..

“… being sold for scrap to avoid contravening the original agreement with the Danish Air Force.”:confused::confused:

In no way meaning to throw a spanner in the works of this e-Bay sale, but the fact they added that statement to the listing has raised a question as to the actual status of the aircraft in terms of ownership.

Was this a loan to the original owners or an outright sale initially ? I know there are a number of airframes dotted about collections which are technically on loan, to avoid HMRC presenting the collections the aircraft presently reside in with a nice import tax bill based of the percieved value of the aircraft.

As such if a collection no longer wants / has room for the airframe or fails for some reason the title to the aircraft falls back to the original loanee. This was how the J29 ended up at Coventry, as the aircraft reverted back to the Swedish AF after Southend failed and was subsequntly then loaned by them to the MAM.
In the case of this aircraft it would be useful if clarification of who has title to it in the current circumstances of the collection being wound up. Is it perhaps the RDAF ???

I’m aware I will probably get flamed for raising this point, but the actual ownership of a lot of museum aircraft in collections is far more complicated than many people think.