April 1, 2016 at 9:23 am
Hi chaps,
During my visit to Berlin a few days ago I saw some very well preserved aircraft recovered from lakes.
Saw a documentary on Loch Ness yesterday and the recent Loch Doon thread make me think (again) if there are any salvagable substantial aircraft wrecks
in UK (inland) waters. IIRC apart from Wellington R for Robert there was talk about a Catalina down there too. In FlyPast years ago an article was published
about a ditched Defiant. The missing second Fritton lake P-47, There must still still be some to be found.
Any ideas?
Cees
By: Robert Navan - 20th October 2020 at 21:41
This is an article about the find of a crashed Catalina in Lough Erne. ( Northern Ireland )
By: Supermarine305 - 13th April 2016 at 17:37
That’s the only Nessie they are going to find.
With the sonar survey it does look like we’ll soon know if there are any sunken aircraft lurking at the bottom of Loch Ness.
By: D1566 - 13th April 2016 at 10:33
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-36024638
By: Otter - 8th April 2016 at 19:48
‘re the Busbie Beaufort, local gossip has it that the cockpit and both engines were recovered shortly after the crash. Apparently the wreckage breaks surface in summer droughts.
By: CeBro - 7th April 2016 at 07:12
Sorry old chap that I don’t fully grasp the understanding of the Queens inglisj:cool:
Cees
By: Sabrejet - 7th April 2016 at 05:00
Any helpful mods out there who could knock a couple of apostrophes (“apostrophe’s”) out of the header? I’d also prefer ‘salvable’ as a more elegant term…
Many thanks :eagerness:
Interesting thread however.
By: Black Knight - 7th April 2016 at 01:57
There’s video footage of the Goblin engine & afew pieces of John Cobbs Crusader boat on the bottom of Loch Ness.
By: NEEMA - 6th April 2016 at 19:00
I “borrowed” an AAC Scout in 1975 and did a very low level visit to, and around the Wildcat, firing off hundreds of frames of 70mm film which was processed on site ( albeit still negative)and sent over to the FAAM for appraisal.
No idea of what happened as my contact left the Museum some time later.
Running up Lough Foyle from Ballykelly ( aka “Shackleton Barracks) there were 5 wrecks visible that year, from memory Corsairs and Fireflies.
By: Airfixtwin - 6th April 2016 at 17:50
Superb photo. Thanks for posting.
So given its location and condition now, how complete would it have been even 30 years ago, when the Wildcat was recovered in a similar location?
I’ve seen a picture of an Army Air Corps Scout hovering over the Corsair and the windscreen frame was still on the wreck, which was probably in the 70’s. The engine and prop were still on it too. It’s been picked to pieces over the years though, as it’s fairly accessible although the mudflats are really very dangerous to walk on.
I’m still patiently waiting to see the Wildcat finished….Thirty two years later! 😮
By: TempestV - 6th April 2016 at 17:18
Lough Erne most probably has some wrecks in it.
Catalina AH536 crashed there, but is a war grave. FP194, FP110,W8414 also crashed on the Lough.
Sunderlands DP181, W4036, DD857 W3995 also crashed with loss of crew. DD862 also sank there.Rumours have circulated for years regards wrecks in Lough Erne, but no evidence has ever been produced to prove they exist. Aircraft were scrapped there, engines removed etc. And I’ve sen photographic evidence of that. If they’re at the bottomof the lough is another thing.
The Foyle Corsair is still with us
Corsair plane wreck 2 (1 of 1) by pddy. browne, on Flickr
Superb photo. Thanks for posting.
So given its location and condition now, how complete would it have been even 30 years ago, when the Wildcat was recovered in a similar location?
By: Meddle - 5th April 2016 at 23:10
Many thanks for the link and the pic! I’ve never seen that side of the prop. I grew up locally, but only visited the prop once. I’m sure that the plaque at that time stated that it was from a Barracuda, though it seems they’ve changed the plaque since then! They’ve also cleaned up the prop a fair bit.
By: Mothminor - 5th April 2016 at 21:53
There is a 3-blade prop outside the ATC in Dunblane, near Stirling. From memory, the plaque next to it stated it was from a Barracuda that had crashed in the Forth. Seems a bit suspect.
I’ve recently posted some pics of the Dunblane memorial here – http://www.airfieldresearchgroup.org.uk/forum/perthshire-memorials/9235-dunblane-memorial-to-sgt-air-gunner-j-reid-226-sqn
I was also told it was from a Barracuda. I suspect it is the same prop then which was trawled out of the Forth in November 1979 – originally thought to be Blenheim, it was later confirmed as Albacore.
By: Airfixtwin - 4th April 2016 at 20:42
Lough Erne most probably has some wrecks in it.
Catalina AH536 crashed there, but is a war grave. FP194, FP110,W8414 also crashed on the Lough.
Sunderlands DP181, W4036, DD857 W3995 also crashed with loss of crew. DD862 also sank there.
Rumours have circulated for years regards wrecks in Lough Erne, but no evidence has ever been produced to prove they exist. Aircraft were scrapped there, engines removed etc. And I’ve sen photographic evidence of that. If they’re at the bottomof the lough is another thing.
The Foyle Corsair is still with us
Corsair plane wreck 2 (1 of 1) by paddy. browne, on Flickr
By: R6915 - 4th April 2016 at 16:27
Stretching both the geography and credulity more than rather more than some of the earlier posts on this topic……! When the Spitfire Society had an office near the docks in Southampton for about five or six years from 1996 there was a procession of passers-by who would knock on the outside door and ask if there was any truth in the ‘local rumour’ that a couple of Spitfires were ‘dumped’ in the Solent and were to be retrieved?
The story ran along the lines that the Spitfires were scuttled by Air Service Training at Hamble airfield at the end of WW2 as being too ancient / battered to be worth doing any work on them.
I seem to recall the society Founder David Green who lived at Hamble at that time, did find a justifiable link somewhere for the story although the society then did not have any cash to fund and pursue the story any further. The society used to be inundated with stories of local Supermarine folklore. The best one I can recall was someone said to be living at Calshot and was said to have a full set Supermarine S5 / S6 series drawings!
That never came to fruition either! But who knows……just maybe there’s something there!
By: andrewclark - 4th April 2016 at 15:24
Maybe, if it had had a different number of propeller blades, it might now be in the Third! (Sorry!!!! I couldn’t resist it!)
By: Meddle - 4th April 2016 at 14:58
That would work! You can see the prop at: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@56.1828193,-3.9651674,3a,57.6y,75.64h,67.49t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sw-x0eV_OjEQaD5ukLknFcQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1
In theory the rest of the donor aircraft is still in the Forth.
By: Duggy - 4th April 2016 at 14:33
Probably an Albacore :rolleyes:
By: D1566 - 4th April 2016 at 13:59
Very true … possibly 🙂
By: Meddle - 4th April 2016 at 13:53
If there is one thing this forum has taught me is to never speak in absolutes about something I don’t know the precise details of. 😀
No sooner would I say all Barracudas had four blades and somebody would dredge up a photo of an Barracuda with an experimental three-blade configuration or something.
By: D1566 - 4th April 2016 at 13:37
There is a 3-blade prop outside the ATC in Dunblane, near Stirling. From memory, the plaque next to it stated it was from a Barracuda that had crashed in the Forth. Seems a bit suspect.
Very … Barracudas had 4 blades.