A friend on holiday in Iceland has just met up with a ‘creationist’
The wiki definition of this bizarre belief system follows
Creationism is the religious belief that life, the Earth, and the universe are the creation of a supernatural being.
As science developed during the 18th century and forward, various views aimed at reconciling the Abrahamic and Genesis creation narratives with science developed in Western societies. Those holding that species had been created separately (such as Philip Gosse in 1847) were generally called “advocates of creation” but were also called “creationists”, as in private correspondence between Charles Darwin and his friends. As the creation–evolution controversy developed over time, the term “anti-evolutionists” became common. In 1929 in the United States, the term “creationism” first became associated with Christian fundamentalists, specifically with their rejection of human evolution and belief in a young Earth—although this usage was contested by other groups, such as old Earth creationists and evolutionary creationists, who hold different concepts of creation
Young-Earth creationism fosters the belief that God created the Earth within the last ten thousand years, literally as described in the Genesis creation narrative, within the approximate time-frame of biblical genealogies (detailed for example in the Ussher chronology). Most Young-Earth creationists believe that the Universe has a similar age as the Earth. A few assign a much older age to the Universe than to Earth. Some creationist thinkers attempt with Creationist cosmologies to give the universe an age consistent with the Ussher chronology and other Young-Earth time frames. Other Young-Earth creationists believe that the Earth and the universe were created with the appearance of age, so that the world appears to be much older than it is, and that this appearance is what gives the geological findings and other methods of dating the earth and the universe their much longer timelines. However, this view has theological implications – an intentional appearance of age is form of false evidence and so a form of deception.
So to sum up it, as science grew it became apparent that the Adam & Eve story was arrant nonsense. So this idea grew up to try and keep the fantasy of a supreme being alive. Key to this is that he knocked-up the earth (and presumably the solar system) some 6,000 – 10,000 years back.
Obviously, since carbon dating can with a fair degree of accuracy take us a lot further back than that it is insupportable, yet there are still a huge number of people who in some way think this is The Truth. Echoes of the Burma Spitfire beliefs.
As the other religious discussion has proved even-tempered and interesting I thought I would chuck this one in for people’s opinion.
So. Complete fruitloops, or in some way I have missed, explicable?
Moggy
By: Lincoln 7 - 5th January 2014 at 19:32
What a stupid thing to say, so the work of Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson who detected the CBM (cosmic microwave ) radiation in 1964 that is the echo of the big bang, that won them the Noble Prize for Physics in 1978 is b&llsh!t is it. Don’t lose any sleep over it Jim because your in good company on here with people whose religious beliefs will stop them from even checking, because if you don’t check then you can never prove to yourself that your wrong and you can not have that can you.
So, they just happened to pick up a cosmic microwave?. and get a Nobel Prize, WOW, what will they get if they can ACTUALLY prove the BB theory?is factual, and undeniably a FACT, something that happened millions of yrs ago.
Jim.
Lincoln .7
By: Bruggen 130 - 5th January 2014 at 19:08
[QUOTE=charliehunt;2101915]Given the choice I suggest you laugh! It might relax your pent up anger – you certainly need something to calm you down.
Unlike you I profess to understanding just a little and keep an open enquiring mind keen to follow and try to understand new theories and new ideas about our planet and it’s place in the evolution of the cosmos.
We all, even you, have much to learn.
I don’t have any anger pent up, I just see through stupidity when it’s put in front of me, you are just a empty vessel, if you won’t look it up then it’s not there.
By: charliehunt - 5th January 2014 at 18:52
Given the choice I suggest you laugh! It might relax your pent up anger – you certainly need something to calm you down.
Unlike you I profess to understanding just a little and keep an open enquiring mind keen to follow and try to understand new theories and new ideas about our planet and it’s place in the evolution of the cosmos.
We all, even you, have much to learn.
By: Bruggen 130 - 5th January 2014 at 13:57
Bruggen- have you got a chip on your shoulder? God you talk some tripe sometimes. Ah well…….
No I don’t have a chip on my shoulder, I’m just sick to death of the utter crap you try to push on this site, you don’t like it when you get found out for what you are, just somebody that thinks he knows it all, when in reality you don’t actually know a great deal about anything, as you have proven when try to have a talk about science and evolution.
Man descended from apes, I don’t know whether laugh or feel sorry for you after a stupid statement like that. Google Mans common ancestor or read the books that you said you’ve read but clearly have not. And with that I have boiled my last cabbage on this subject so you can go on talking nonsense till your hearts content.
By: Bruggen 130 - 5th January 2014 at 13:12
Unless one was present when the “Big Bang” happened, I agree with JG, it’s only a theory, at best.
Jim.
Lincoln .7
What a stupid thing to say, so the work of Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson who detected the CBM (cosmic microwave ) radiation in 1964 that is the echo of the big bang, that won them the Noble Prize for Physics in 1978 is b&llsh!t is it. Don’t lose any sleep over it Jim because your in good company on here with people whose religious beliefs will stop them from even checking, because if you don’t check then you can never prove to yourself that your wrong and you can not have that can you.
By: charliehunt - 5th January 2014 at 11:46
Bruggen- have you got a chip on your shoulder? God you talk some tripe sometimes. Ah well……. ?
By: Lincoln 7 - 5th January 2014 at 11:43
Unless one was present when the “Big Bang” happened, I agree with JG, it’s only a theory, at best.
Jim.
Lincoln .7
By: John Green - 5th January 2014 at 11:27
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CD
I, like you, or, a hundred others, could produce a thousand and one ideas that attempt to explain the origin of our universe. The only fact is, they will all be guesswork. They will be the product of creative and imaginative thinking laced with whatever little data we are able to collect and which is measurable and verifiable. Big Bang and Tiny Whimper fall into this category. One of these ideas could be correct. We do not know now and probably WILL NEVER KNOW.
Not even the amateur cosmologist knows, who – via these columns – attempts to tread on debate and stamp over other opinion as tho’ his/her interpretations and opinions are the only ones that count. This person instead of pursuing wild cosmology theories and regurgitating the theories of others, should instead, devote a little time to acquiring notions of tolerance and balance.
Thus, instead of continually stepping outside of the bounds of his/her intellect, a little humility might take root.
By: Bruggen 130 - 5th January 2014 at 10:55
You need to keep an open mind and do a bit more reading chum before making facile accusations.
Anyway if you are happy with your certainty about something about which we know so little and still have so much to learn, keep your blinkers on and good luck to you.
I’m not the one with blinkers on, that’s you, we know a hell of a lot it’s you that thinks you know a lot about everything but your actual knowledge about this subject is very limited. all I have said is easy to check, but you can’t be arsed. BTW you said that you have read Darwin an Dawkins books but you have not because if you had you would not be telling others on the god thread that we evolved
from apes which is another case of you thinking you know it all, the thing is other people on there are responding to that post as if what you say is true, when a quick Google “Are we descended from Apes”
will give you the answer. It’s no btw, I suppose your reply will be, I didn’t mean it literally, but that boat won’t float with me. So keep your head up your **** and crack on.
Jesus if I keep on posting at this rate I’ll catch up with Charles an Jim in about I about 10 years.
By: charliehunt - 5th January 2014 at 05:35
You need to keep an open mind and do a bit more reading chum before making facile accusations.
Anyway if you are happy with your certainty about something about which we know so little and still have so much to learn, keep your blinkers on and good luck to you.
By: Bruggen 130 - 4th January 2014 at 23:55
Bruggen – you must have missed a couple of interesting documentaries and a paper published in Nature I think it was.
I’ll try to dig it out for you……
Don’t bother, your out your depth, I have a big enough book collection, if string theory is proved it does not change how this universe started, how many times do I have to boil this Bl&&dy cabbage.
By: charliehunt - 4th January 2014 at 23:06
Bruggen – you must have missed a couple of interesting documentaries and a paper published in Nature I think it was.
I’ll try to dig it out for you……
By: Creaking Door - 4th January 2014 at 21:36
Do you prefer any particular alternative explanation for the origin of the current form of the universe?
By: John Green - 4th January 2014 at 21:04
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CD
The status quo is maintained. We’ll continue to differ.
By: Bruggen 130 - 4th January 2014 at 21:03
My knowledge of the ‘Big Bang’ may let me down here but I believe that this theory (not theorem) is based on measuring the speed at which galaxies are moving away from a central point. It is now possible for mankind to measure the speed of these galaxies and their trajectories away from this common central point and so it is also possible, knowing the distance they have travelled, to estimate how long ago the ‘Big Bang’ occurred…
Your not far off, only it started when Hubble found that all the light from distant galaxies is red shifted meaning it’s source is moving away from us but it’s not moving away from one point all the distant galaxies are moving away from each other, because the space between the galaxies is expanding, it’s like a deflated balloon with a lot of dots marked on it, as you blow it up the dots move further away from one another, your last line is absolutely correct
By: Bruggen 130 - 4th January 2014 at 20:45
The growth and increasing understanding of quantum physics and applications of string theory might well see off the Big Bang theory in my lifetime.
Exciting times to come!
No it wont, because string theory deals with physics at the very small atomic level (quarks and fermions) instead of atoms you have vibrating one-dimensional line segments. so it does not matter if it’s strings or atomic particles they were all started at the big bang 13.7 billion years ago, parallel universes, other dimensions there might well be, but this universe started with a bang.
By: Creaking Door - 4th January 2014 at 18:48
‘Science’ in the shape of creative thinking, points the way to the ‘Big Bang’ concept. In other words, that idea is as good as anything you or I could dream up.
It is surely much, much better than anything that you or I could ‘dream up’ since it is not only based on ‘creative thinking’; it is based on measurable evidence.
My knowledge of the ‘Big Bang’ may let me down here but I believe that this theory (not theorem) is based on measuring the speed at which galaxies are moving away from a central point. It is now possible for mankind to measure the speed of these galaxies and their trajectories away from this common central point and so it is also possible, knowing the distance they have travelled, to estimate how long ago the ‘Big Bang’ occurred…
…and hence the time since our universe changed to its present form…..NOT how old the universe is!
Exciting times indeed!
Blimey! I seem to have stumbled back on-topic!
By: charliehunt - 4th January 2014 at 12:21
The growth and increasing understanding of quantum physics and applications of string theory might well see off the Big Bang theory in my lifetime.
Exciting times to come!
By: John Green - 4th January 2014 at 11:37
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CD.
‘Science’ in the shape of creative thinking, points the way to the ‘Big Bang’ concept. In other words, that idea is as good as anything you or I could dream up.
By: John Green - 4th January 2014 at 11:34
Re 107
…”justify its claims…”
And that’s enough about man made global warming !
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