November 28, 2008 at 4:30 pm
(Yes, I know that I have a thread on that plane, but I think this time it real news for topic…)
Incidentally, what precisely is Chinese in ACAC ARJ21? It is mostly Mad Dog Trunkliner… and I think the wing is Antonov.
Dachang is an interesting place… shall ARJ21 show up in Paris? It did not fly by Zhuhai.
This link gives EIS date, with Shandong, by end of 2009. The export customers, I think, are GECAS and Lao Air.
The plane is delayed anyway: see
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2008/09/10/315783/china-aims-for-21-september-first-flight-of-arj21.html
The 90-seat aircraft’s first flight was originally scheduled for March
By: chornedsnorkack - 30th December 2011 at 13:17
Ready for type inspection authorization:
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/comac-arj21-700-ready-for-type-inspection-authorisation-366429/
How long shall type inspection authorization take?
By: JSR - 2nd September 2011 at 19:00
look like the guy smell some thing beforehand.
http://atwonline.com/aircraft-engines-components/news/comac-chairman-resigns-take-hebei-governorship-0829
COMAC chairman resigns to take Hebei governorship
By: chornedsnorkack - 19th August 2011 at 08:55
Delayed again!
Test flights bring about another delay, at least out of 2011:
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2011/08/19/361017/arj21-first-delivery-likely-delayed.html
By: chornedsnorkack - 17th November 2010 at 17:45
Got the engines in October – but EIS is delayed to 2011 3rd quarter or later:
Further delayed to 4th quarter or later, for Chinese certification shall come in September 2011:
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2010/11/17/349847/zhuhai10-arj21-flight-test-programme-completes-900h.html
By: chornedsnorkack - 15th November 2010 at 19:31
The reason for the delay turns out to have been breaking the (Antonov) wing:
http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story_generic.jsp?topicName=zhuhai_2010&id=news/awx/2010/11/15/awx_11_15_2010_p0-269495.xml&headline=ARJ21%20Wing%20Problems%20Drive%20Program%20Delay
By: chornedsnorkack - 1st November 2010 at 18:01
Comac hopes to get production GE engines in fourth quarter and enter into service early in 2011:
Got the engines in October – but EIS is delayed to 2011 3rd quarter or later:
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2010/11/01/349033/ge-delivers-first-production-engines-for-arj21.html
By: Schorsch - 13th July 2010 at 13:02
its a strange world we live in
DC9s first flew carrying about 90 passengers, and were eventually stretched to carry double that
the regional jets began from executive jet size until the carry 60 people
this new chinese plane looks like its filling the gap left by the now retired DC9/737 early series planes
Which is nicely filled with E195 and CRJ1000. No-one needs the ARJ21.
By: Arabella-Cox - 13th July 2010 at 12:23
its a strange world we live in
DC9s first flew carrying about 90 passengers, and were eventually stretched to carry double that
the regional jets began from executive jet size until the carry 60 people
this new chinese plane looks like its filling the gap left by the now retired DC9/737 early series planes
Yeah, but its not like theres been a huge gap where jets of that size didnt exist. :confused:
By: cockerhoop - 13th July 2010 at 11:57
its a strange world we live in
DC9s first flew carrying about 90 passengers, and were eventually stretched to carry double that
the regional jets began from executive jet size until the carry 60 people
this new chinese plane looks like its filling the gap left by the now retired DC9/737 early series planes
By: chornedsnorkack - 13th July 2010 at 10:42
Comac hopes to get production GE engines in fourth quarter and enter into service early in 2011:
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2010/07/13/343824/farnborough-superjets-sam146-programme-back-on-track.html Mostly on Superjet, but at the end a long discussion of ARJ21.
By: chornedsnorkack - 11th January 2010 at 13:56
First export customer!
Comac got first export customer for ARJ-21. Lao Airlines:
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2010/01/11/336964/lao-airlines-purchases-two-arj21s.html
By: dan BHX - 28th August 2009 at 00:06
looks like a dc9 and a CRJ crossed
By: Schorsch - 27th August 2009 at 22:36
That sounds like management “speak” there, Schorsch! :p
I’m climbing up the corporate ladder … 😀
By: Schorsch - 27th August 2009 at 22:35
The cross-section of the fuselage is identical (the length of ARJ21-700 does not match the length of any DC-9 model).
Taking out some frames from the constant section is a no-brainer.
So that it would not grow past ARJ21-900… and would not compete against CS100. Whose fuselage and wingbox are also made by AVIC. And Cseries does have a new cross-section and new tooling.
The Chinese are not stupid. They know that fighting an A319/A320 is not working. They are taking existing stuff off the shelf and try to do it themselves, basically a use-case for their industry. the results don’t impress, but it is a big learning program for their industry.
The CF-34 is a safe choice, not truly inventive, but taking General Electric into the boat helps the business case (which isn’t meant to produce any cash anyways).
By: chornedsnorkack - 27th August 2009 at 13:32
It wasn’t reverse engineered, it basically IS a DC-9. The fuselage is identical and was meant to be so as AVIC had tooling and experience in manufacturing the DC-9 (or MD-90).
The cross-section of the fuselage is identical (the length of ARJ21-700 does not match the length of any DC-9 model).
The engine is CF-34 (same as A-10!), which limits it in growth potential.
So that it would not grow past ARJ21-900… and would not compete against CS100. Whose fuselage and wingbox are also made by AVIC. And Cseries does have a new cross-section and new tooling.
By: Schorsch - 27th August 2009 at 11:08
It wasn’t reverse engineered, it basically IS a DC-9. The fuselage is identical and was meant to be so as AVIC had tooling and experience in manufacturing the DC-9 (or MD-90).
The engine is CF-34 (same as A-10!), which limits it in growth potential.
The wing is modified with supercritical profile.
Nobody should expect too much from that aerodynamic-wise, but it allows a thicker and lighter wing with more volume.
In the end: it is not innovative, but it still is a useful aircraft. The last part is hard to say for me as I prefer the over-engineered Euro-tech solutions. However, the ARJ-21 – despite being yesterdays’ design – still is in one league with the E-Jets.
By: Bmused55 - 27th August 2009 at 10:50
I wouldn’t be surprised if this was actualy reverse engineered from a DC-9 lol
By: PMN - 26th August 2009 at 17:59
It still looks like a DC-9 21 with winglets.
Had to giggle! 😀
Paul
By: Grey Area - 26th August 2009 at 17:15
ARJ21-700 is longer than DC-9-10, but shorter than DC-9-30.
It still looks like a DC-9 21 with winglets.
By: chornedsnorkack - 26th August 2009 at 16:58
ARJ21-700 is longer than DC-9-10, but shorter than DC-9-30.