June 9, 2005 at 2:34 am
Hi All,
Well the FAA has issue an emegancy AD see this thread for the info.
http://warbirdinformationexchange.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3907
RER
By: Yak 11 Fan - 14th June 2005 at 22:48
The CAA AD is an exact copy of the FAA AD
By: Manonthefence - 14th June 2005 at 21:37
cas
Thanks very much for the clarification. I think we got there in a round about way. 🙂
The news from the States appears to be good, with no further cracks found. Its early days yet however.
By: cas - 14th June 2005 at 21:32
Duxford at HFL open day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ARC harvard is a canadian 4, yes it did fly on saturday,
but this type was not included in the FAA alert
however monday saw the arrival of a canadian TC document covering this type and has been actioned by the engineering staff at ARC.
By: Manonthefence - 14th June 2005 at 21:26
It probably meant all C- examples. Anyway the pilot at the weekend was Dave Evans, if its the same Dave Evans then he of all people would have known the situation regarding the AD. Quite frankly HFL arent that dumb!! 😉
By: The Blue Max - 14th June 2005 at 21:21
According to a earlier post by mutant, Transport Canada had grounded all Harvards prior to the weekend so sureley this applied to HFL example, but hay ho, as long as everbody is safe.
By: Manonthefence - 14th June 2005 at 20:45
Ewan
Thanks for that. I dont suppose you have a link. I couldnt find it on the CAA website. I assume its an exact(ish) copy of the FAA one.
As an aside and relevent to nothing it was interesting to note that, at the Duxford September show last year, Taz didnt have the covers on the wings that protect/cover/weatherproof/make look nicer the spar web. The TFC example did have. I’ve only just noticed this.
By: Ewan Hoozarmy - 14th June 2005 at 20:07
The CAA has issued an AD, last Thursday to be precise, but it only affected Harvards built in the USA by North American….basically echoing what the FAA Emergency AD said..
This would explain why the ARCO Harvard was airborne at Duxford on Saturday (Canadian Car & Foundry built Harvard 4)
Subsequently, Transport Canada have issued an Emergency AD to cover the Canadian built Harvards. So I assume that the UK CAA will also issue a follow up to this one, affecting all UK registered Canadian built Harvards.
Doubt if you will see a UK registered Harvard/T6 airborne now! 🙁
By: Manonthefence - 14th June 2005 at 19:07
The Blue Max
The CAA hasnt issued an AD yet! My guess is that all T-6 owners will check anyway.
By: The Blue Max - 14th June 2005 at 18:43
Will be interesting to see if there are any UK registered Harvards flying this weekend.
Duxford at HFL open day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
By: mutant - 14th June 2005 at 16:26
Happy to say that TC is following the FAA on this one with initial inspection to include non-destructive testing using flourescent dye. 🙂 The process is a bit messy and the pre and post inspection donkey work is about 10 hours per aircraft. Happily, all aircraft that have recently undergone this process in the US, have been negative for cracks. No doubt, once more data is available, I think and hope that the inspection will be allowed to be completed using ‘eddy current’ technology.
First things first. Let’s get the Harvards back in the air! 🙂
By: Zute - 10th June 2005 at 23:42
Will be interesting to see if there are any UK registered Harvards flying this weekend.
By: Dave Barrell - 10th June 2005 at 23:33
natch!
Plus even if it isnt, a dye pen check to stop your wings falling off may be a sensible precaution – pretty rare to have one go, sea air, hi-G aeros and heavy landings probably exacerbated the situation in the US incident i guess….
Kissimmee is as far from the sea as Brunters is —- watch out for those seagulls…
By: Dave Barrell - 10th June 2005 at 23:31
And lets not forget that a CAA AD has not appeared yet!!!
It has now…..
By: The Blue Max - 10th June 2005 at 19:44
Lets not be to opptermistic yet, this is just the emergency AD more could follow, especialy if more cracks are found in other A/C. A requirement of the AD is to report back all findings of the inspection within 7 days of said inspection. Also in the Ad it says, and i quote”The NTSB is still investigating the accident. When all information from the investigation becomes available,FAA may take additional AD action to address continued opperational saftey of the affected airplanes.This could include, but is not limited to, inspection, modification, and/or replacement of the critical components.” As Yak 11 said, there could be interesting times ahead and at the end of the day i would rather make sure that all is well rather than risk two more lives. Maybe TC are just awaiting the findings of the investigation before coming up with the required action. And lets not forget that a CAA AD has not appeared yet!!!
By: David Burke - 10th June 2005 at 18:36
I guess Transport Canada have consulted their engineers and lawyers and come up with their plan. I think I would rather err on the side of caution.
By: mutant - 10th June 2005 at 16:55
Manonthefence
TC have to justify their existence and to simply parallel the FAA approach just wouldn’t make sense!!
You never know TC may just suprise us. (I hope.)
By: Manonthefence - 10th June 2005 at 15:21
Mutant
That is effectively what the FAA have done
“You will inspect your aircraft before its next flight unless you are away from base, in which case one single pilot journey back to base then inspect”
They (the FAA) have just been more sensible about it. Why cant TC just follow suit with a similar AD?
By: ZRX61 - 10th June 2005 at 15:15
Theres at least 18 of em at Van Nuys, guess I’ll be getting a call 🙁
By: mutant - 10th June 2005 at 15:04
Not that Canada is in Europe, but following on from the FAA’s AD, Transport Canada has grounded all Harvards!! 🙁
No doubt we will be waiting months for their version of the same corrective maintainance recommended by the FAA!
By: Ewan Hoozarmy - 10th June 2005 at 14:39
I would assume that the rest of the European Aviation Authorities have also sent it out to T-6 Owners, but then “never assume”……!