Australia's refugee problem

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Mongu/Rabie

The Tasman Bridge, over the River Derwent, which is the one Mongu referred to, was the scene of a major disaster in 1975, when a ship collided with one of the piers. A couple of sections of the bridge collapsed with the loss of quite a few lives.

Rabie – you’r lucky to have relo’s there – if you ever come over this side of the world, make sure you visit them and give Tasmania the look-over. It isn’t very big by Aussie standards, you can easily drive from north to south in half a day, and two to three weeks gives you adequate time to really see the place.

It’s a separate island to the rest of Australia and in many ways, it is a world removed from the mainland, too. A really beautiful place.

Regards

Wombat

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> Tassie’s climate is not unlike Britains, just not as prone
>to severe cold and snow.

😀 😀 😀 😀 😀

if we are lucky we get snow for or 2 days a year -in britain it just drizzels (very light rain for days on end)

i have many reletives in tasmania and they have a beach house out there – wish i could go out there looks lovley

rabie :9

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We went away to Hobart for the weekend when I was down under. I loved it; thoroughly nice place. Especially the drive over the bridge into Hobart coming from the airport!

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Mongu

Despite what many Sydneysiders say about Melbourne, it’s a good place to live.

I come from Sydney, but find the oppressive humidity of our summers, combined with temperatures over 40C occasionally, really unbearable. I like cooler climates and, if I had my choice, would prefer to live in either Victoria or Tasmania. Tassie’s climate is not unlike Britains, just not as prone to severe cold and snow.

Hope it all works out for you. Melbourne is a fine choice.

Regards

Wombat

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She’s a Melbournian, so maybe there. If you were in my position, where in Australia would you most like to live?

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Mongu

Any preferences as to where you will live yet?

Wombat

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As luck would have it, my area of work is VAT, which is conceptually similar to yout GST. Only a lot more time consuming!

My fiance is an Aussie and the coin ended up choosing Australia for us rather than the UK. So yes, I’ll be heading out in a year or so.

I stand by my claim about lawyers though!!

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Mongu

Poor bloody lawyers – they seem to have a bad reputation wherever you go!

If you wanted a job as an accountant out here, you might find our taxation laws a bit perplexing but there could be a real chance of employment for you. With the recent changes in our tax laws, they have become so complex that many accountants now don’t want to have a bar of doing tax returns, so new applicants for the job might be welcome.

Are you considering joining us out here?

Wombat

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Yes, I’m an accountant. You can never have too many accountants (unlike lawyers!).

I’d probably have to sit exams on Aussie company law and Aussie tax, but straight in apart from that.

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Mongu

Do I read into your message that you are an accountant?

It’s funny that they score so highly – I would have thought accountants were already in plentiful supply out here!

Regards

Wombat

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There is currently a points test in place for migration down under.

It’s all pretty bueraucratic, but from what I can gather, you have to make sure you are in an occupation which appears on their skilled occupation list. If so, each occupation is allocated a number of points. The maximum seems to be 60, which is what accountants get thankfully.

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Mongu

Your’e right, we did have a scheme to encourage European immigrants to Australia, during the late 40’s, through the 50’s. Not sure if it went into the 60’s. It was a scheme funded by the Australian Government called “Migrant Assisted Passage”, and migrants found suitable for settling in Australia were actually subsidised on a per head basis by the government. The story was that the fare per head was only 10 Aussie pounds (about the same as the English pound in value at that time), with the government paying the rest.

This scheme came about as a result of the scare we got over here during the period immediately following Japan’s entry into the war. Our population at the time was only about 5 million and the Labour Government realised at war’s end that this was insufficient to ensure our security in the event of another war.

The saying at that time was “populate or perish” and, as our natural birth rate was quite low, it was determined that many of the displaced persons from Europe, and many British families, might prefer to live out here. They were particularly welcome if they possessed trades or skills which were in short supply in Oz.

The scheme eventually was terminated because our population had increased to the point where it was considered we no longer needed to encourage migrants to settle here with subsidised passage.

Today, our immigration policies are reasonably liberal in the way they apply to nearly every nationality. True, we have some very tough procedures in place because of the people smuggling which has been going on for some years, and our proximity to South East Asia and the Middle East, The simple fact is, Australia is a very appealing place to want to migrate to, compared to most countries anywhere near us. It has been interesting to read the comments from yourself and many other members, and I note that our “harsh” policies receive a fair bit of support from the board just as they receive some condemnation. You will, no doubt, have seen other correspondence I had recently with Minmiester, and I must say I respect his views regarding our policies, even if we disagree on some of them.

The fact is that our Government knows that many Australians support the action they have been taking with illegal immigrants. Whilst there has been a lot said, and much pressure has been exerted from various migrant groups, the UN and other international agencies, this Government will tough it out because we have to be able to determine who lives here and how they arrive. To ease our standards will open us up to many of the problems being experienced in many countries, particularly Britain and some nations in Europe.

The Wombat

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Part of the problem is that political correctness stops countries from only allowing immigration from certain countries.

The Aussies used to have a “white Australia” policy which was rightly condemmed. So they went 180 degrees to a “any comers” policy which is equally as bad. What they ought to have done is opt for a middle-ground policy.

Immigrants from Europe and North America have more in common ethnically, culturally and even linguistically with Joe Aussie. There is therefore less potential for crime if these groups are given “preferred” status. Obviously criminals and slackers should still be barred!

Actually, I believe there used to be immigration porgrammes in the UK to encourage Brits to move to Australia, but they seem to have stopped it. Why?

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We got for instance a problems in public swimming pools.
Moslim guys, mostly from Marocco are raping and abusing girls in the swiming pool and they say that girls who dres like the girls seposed to do in a swimming pool(in a swiming suit) are hookers and it is allowed acording to the Koran that it is not a crime to abous that girls.

But a friend of mine is with the Militairy Police and is born in Marocco says that that is bull**** and when they do that in Marocco they whil be arrested and go to jail. They are useing to much the Koran to justify their bad behavure.

Whe have some other customs in our country’s why cant they accept OUR way of living? Whe accept their things so why cant they accept our customs and rules of good behaver?

I want to say that when you are fleeing for war and for instance Australia is give’s you shelter you don’t go raping.
Wat would happened if the Dutch people who fled to England in WW2 started to become criminals? The Englisch people would kick them back to the Germans and they would be shot.

When you shelter in a country you behave normal just like the normal citicens and not like a moron. OK some got problem but that should not be an exuse to become a criminal.

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Shorty

I think you are right about the attitude of many refugees.

Some of the more heavily populated parts of Australia have been experiencing serious crimes committed by certain ethnic groups, particularly those from some parts of the middle east and Asia.

It is a problem that occurs every where around the world, when different cultures come together. I don’t know what the solution is, but deportation of serious criminals should be an option.

Late last year, a large number of asylum seekers were taken on board the S.S. “Tampa” and the matter received world wide attention. Many of the refugees demanded to go to Australia and when told that would not happen, they turned nasty. Some refused to leave a bus in Nauru when they were landed, and they put on a show for the world media which was watching. Some of them are supposed to have stated that Australia’s treatment of them was worse than they had experienced in their own country. I don’t know if that really happended or not.

In Sydney recently, a number of Lebanese youths were found guilty of a series of pack rapes, and the case has been heavily reported in the local media. Much of the anger about these cases is the fact that race appears to have been a major factor in the selection of the victims. This doesn’t help racial relations in Australia at all and Lebanese, being predominantly Muslim, are finding that Australians don’t like or trust them very much. Most of the Lebanese youths were actually born in Australia, which makes the situation a bit harder to understand.

This sort of thing is being made worse by the general distrust of Muslims after September 11 and the goings on in Palestine and Israel.

I’m sure Australians would be more prepared to accept asylum seekers if some of them weren’t so arrogant and demanding.

The Wombat

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If you are fleeing for war it shoud’nt be a problem to seek refuge in a country but when the war is over you have to return.
Who’s gona rebuild the country?

If you are a economical refugee you’re not welcome in the Netherlands(official polecy) but they make disapere theire papers and say they are war refugees. My problem is the crime, when you are fleeing a war and you get shelter some where you do not behave bad!! It’s not nice to robe your host.
But when you say loud that some refugees are criminals they say you are a facist. I think thats wrong!

Perhabs you know the murder on a political leader in the Netherlands(Pim Fortuyn) he just said that all refugees who are stealing and are criminals have to return to their country war or not. He was killed just for saing out loud what the majority of the people of holland whas supporting his ideas.

Refugees have to give shelter in the aerea where they are from!

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[updated:LAST EDITED ON 08-08-02 AT 04:30 PM (GMT)]OK, I’ll say this one more time: hope you understand the message! What you just said “bloody asylum” seakers is first a racist comment, which is not tolerated here. “To infest” is not an appropriate word.

Yes, I know the places in Brussels in Antwerp, probably a lot more than you. The people in the railway-stations are no asylum seakers, they are native Belgians who lost their job, family …

Don’t tell me anything about Belgium, I know the problems perfectly, and if your Mum has been robbed by a “BLOODY ASYLUM SEAKER”, sorry, but that’s no reason to call them scum, pests. I rather have my blinkers on than wearing extreme-right glasses. Maybe you should go to café “de Vlaamse leeuw” in Antwerp, I guarantee you, no asylum-seakers will bother you there. The ideal place to meat skinheads and grumpy old racists.

If you understand some dutch, here’s a good website :
http://www.vlaamsblok.be/index.shtml

THIS IS THE PEST IN EUROPE, THIS IS WHAT INFESTS MY COUNTRY.

There’s even an English translation.

RE: Example of Refugee-problem

on the kent front as i live there i have to say some thing.

we pay a lot more in council tax (tax to local gov) to pay for accmodation for refuges – its logical that they come here (kent) as we have the ports.

however why we (locals) rather than national government pay it is a mystery and an anouyance to me. the shooting was an isolated insodent and should not be tken as typical – the guy on radio 4 said well there has been two stabbings IN FRANCE when asked have there been similar incidents

why it was in ashford is part of the great dispersal scheame – because the only port is dover there is a lot of reuges there – ok its not a refuge camp like the pakistaai border or anything but there is a lot. so the govermnet has offered other councils subsides to house them elsewhere – hence they go to live in empty tower blocks in scotland.

residential care is being stopped nationwide – its just simple impracticle for councils to provide it and its acknowledeged that people hav to pay for their own residetial care. the fact that a closed home was used to house them is a good sign – at least were better than the french who provide a wharehouse

rabie :9

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Benjamin,
Don’t waste your time with the ignorant. You are better off being in a discussion with cultured people. Gentlemen like Tom and Arthur have said it in the best possible way.

http://www.keymags.co.uk/dcforum/DCForumID2/5530.html

Sam.

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[updated:LAST EDITED ON 01-08-02 AT 08:37 PM (GMT)]Well, it was in Ostend, but Belgium is so small it really doesn’t matter. Comet, I’m a disappointed in you. You think of Belgium as some kind of theme park, nice to live, drink a beer, visit a brewery, go the the oll’ marketplaces. This is so wrong however. Belgium has lots of problems, like any other western country (OK not maybe Monaco and Vatican City but you know what I mean). Only visiting the tourist places gives you a wrong impression. I’m happy to live in Belgium, but the problems I face every day have more to do with those stupid extreme right parties than with immigrants. You visited Antwerp ! Been to the Borgerhout (or also dubbed Borgerocco because many Morrocons live there)? Falconplein? etc….

Anyway, I don’t expect you to visit these ‘asylum dumps’. Breweries are more fun!

BTW, I wish you wouldn’t call these people ‘scum’, I know not all of them are nice and friendly, and some of them have probably a criminal past, but the majority just want to get a better life! HOW SELFISH OF THIS SCUM TO THINK THEY EVEN DISERVE TO GET A BETTER LIFE! x(

Try to get in touch with some of these people before you judge them. 🙁

One last remark, Comet, did you know that your favourite airline, Sabena, became big thanks to these immigrants?! It was the black people in the Belgian Congo who were cleaning the aircrafts and doing other maintenance. As soon as Congo became independent, Sabena went into financial troubles. After all, Sabena was never a successtory, but thanks to these people the planes could take off every day. Instead of posting a picture of a SN A-340, you should think of posting a black boy who worked as a slave for Sabena. Yeah, indeed, a slave.