Austrian F70 makes controlled forced landing in field

My bet is on bad icing.

A pilot has come forward and told how he was on approach to MUC at the same time as the Austrian jet, he overheard the emergency transmissions transmitted by thr pilots.
He states that in the same hour several aircraft on approach and in holding patterns reported very bad icing.

Originally posted by keltic
We can´t generalize, but I would say that many third world countries pilots, are more skilled because they have a really hard hard live trainning with the elements; flying wrecks, bad weather, badly equiped airports, complicated orography and hard situations all the time. Real guts and risky decissions all the time. Harder than landing a modern A320 in Munich for instance….a piece of cake.

I wonder. That could also mean that they don’t get the top quality safety training and sim time that, for example, some here on the forum get. Also that kind of a poor safety environment will catch up with you. I would say it takes a completely different kind of pilot out of the worst of the hazard airlines. One that is willing to roll the dice vs. a pro here on this forum that is trained not to roll the dice based on a few generations of quality industy experience to get them to where they are today. I don’t think I would fly on a bush pilot airline that uses bad, unmaintained equipment and makes “risky decisions.” I understand some people don’t have that choice. I don’t see anything that means the bush airline might be more skilled, just the ones that are still alive are more lucky. My 2 cents from seeing numberous aircraft accidents, taking photos of them and hanging out with the accident investigators for weeks at a time. I’ve seen what risk and bad decisions and poor / failed equipment do in that environment. Like all major aircraft accidents, its the bad day where a bunch of little things that aren’t quite right, ruin it for you. I don’t think many here in the world of auto-throttles and fancy jets are short of the core fundimentals. Thats the other advantage of a first line airline. Ones that can’t hack it or start to fail those fundimentals are usually detected and weeded out. The low dollar bush airline doesn’t have that kind of luxery to take a pilot out of the cockpit. The big leap here that they have a mechanism in place to do proper certification. Kind of hard to believe in an enviornment where poor machines and maintenance are common. Most likley is that you have more air crew in that environment that slip through the cracks and don’t have the same safety mindset and or certification to do the job up to scratch.

I’m sure one of the pros here could comment better on that than I could.

Originally posted by Kenneth
OK, maybe he didn’t get in the way of anybody but I doubt that he was out there spotting. At that time it was snowing rather heavily (I live not very far from MUC). If he was spotting the visibility was such that he wouldn’t have seen the aircraft. I just cannot see what such a “paparrazzi” photo has got to do with spotting or aviation enthusiasm.

I gather the a/c was approaching RWY 26L.

Might I suggest that the picture was taken some time after the actual crash landing ? Where have all the passengers gone or are they still aboard?

How unpractical are the steps on the Fokker 70? Look at the position in which that aircraft is in and the way in which the door has opened. How are passengers meant to get out safely without breaking their ankles as they stumble over the steps which ‘jut’ out?

I misread the original post. I thought it had said that the Fokker had crashed a few miles from departure rather than destination!

But FOD normally happens on the ground and this plane was nearly at its destination flying Vienna – Munich. These places are close by for an airplane but the damage would occur earlier I think. Unless there was a bird strike of course.

I wonder if it was the same thing as the SAS MD80 a few years ago? Would seem likely to me. The problem with tail mounted engines is FOD ingestion, particularly after what may turn out to be unsuccessful de-icing.