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Situation review
The standard of behaviour on these boards is among the lowest on the web. Only the boards at **edited – this is not a place to discuss other forums – Frank** approach the sleaze and abuse present here. Bad language, personal attacks, unfounded gossip, head kicking, slander and unattributed images make frequent appearances here. More frequently, threads are quickly dragged off-topic by a blizzard of nonsense one liners, and endless beer and fart jokes.

The boards, for the last several years (before and after moderation) have run many deeply offensive, potentially actionable items. The Williams affair, the Germaine Greer affair, and the Aviation Artist affair are past examples. Current examples include the potentially slanderous and at best ill-informed speculation about the engineering and financial soundness of the Vulcan project, peddled from a position of ignorance by a number of regulars. Then there is the repeated personal abuse dished out by the frequently suspended Mark9 and others.

Generally, the culprits are regulars, often operating in close harmony. New arrivals can expect a thorough flogging at an early date if they take a position that differs materially from that of regulars.

The belated introduction of moderation (introduced after the lamentable Williams affair) has done little to improve matters on General Discussion, General Aviation, Historic Aviation or Modern Military.

While the standards of the posts is the responsibility of individual posters, some responsibility lies at the door of Key Publishing (for allowing such a facility to continue at this standard despite repeated complaint) and with the moderators, who are either too involved, too slow, too few or too inactive to remedy a continuing and declining situation.

As they stand, the boards reflect no credit on Key Publishing or the aviation community. A responsible adult would have difficulty inviting their school-age children, or their mothers and grandmothers, to come here seeking information about, for example, the war-time efforts of their spouses or grandparents.

Solutions
Bad posts: It is not good enough to suggest that reporting bad posts is “running to the teacher”. As regular users, the right to free speech comes with responsibility: to keep the boards clean, informative, helpful and suitable for minors and adult enthusiasts alike, free of personal attacks, bad language, and slander. Report all bad posts: there is a function to do this. Use it.

Off topic drivel: Time wasting, and unfunny. Delete them, promptly. Continue until the slowest of the offenders gets the message.

Bad language and cute keyboard tr!cks: These do not mitigate appalling language in signatures and in text. There is no call for it. Children play here. Delete all such posts and signatures. Ban the offenders.

Rumours and innuendo: Instead of posting unfounded rumours here, take another moment or two to look for an answer on the web: often you will quickly find a clearly sound answer. The same applies to purloined pics: post your source, thanks – images without info are a useless for any serious work.

Slander at the high end and carping at the low end: instead of posting ill-tempered, ill-informed and pointless gripes here first, take them up with the agency involved. Use the power of the web to email the agency. Check out who their Minister is, or who their regulator is and write to them too. Once you’ve done your homework and got an answer of some sort, you have a case to post here.

Moderation: Key Publishing, the Webmaster, the moderators and the posters have to take this seriously. It is clearly time to seek out a new larger group of moderators. Moderators must be willing and able to actively monitor and moderate heavily, consistently and very promptly. Posters who repeatedly abuse the board rules only do so because other users and the moderators let them.

Warnings: Clearly not working. First offence: 3 month ban. Second offence: 3 month ban. Third offence: life ban. Apply this firmly and consistently to every case, including those who like cute keyboard tricks to void the rules.

Rules: Groom the rules to utmost simplicity. No personal attacks. No bad language, disguised or not. No unsourced pictures. No slander, no innuendo. Stay on topic. If you wouldn’t want your Mum to read what you are about to post, don’t post it. Report ALL bad posts.

General Discussion: Now beyond saving: close it down.

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Copied to: Editor, Flypast; Webmaster, Aviation Forums
While I appreciate that Key Publishing has been more responsive of late in attempting to improve the quality of the various Discussion Boards that it hosts, it is clear from recent posts that the situation remains deeply disturbing and that further firm remedial action is required.

Accordingly, I’m about to register once more, solely to make the following post to suggest some solutions. Given the state of the boards, the chance of improvement seems scant, and I do not expect to make any further posts.
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By: Flood - 2nd June 2005 at 23:44

With the all too familiar slanging match now in full flow this thread has sunk to the kind of depths discussed in the initial post, and is better off locked.

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By: Grey Area - 2nd June 2005 at 22:40

Goodnight now…. and that’s 3 nanoseconds sleep you owe me, remember. 🙂

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By: Mark9 - 2nd June 2005 at 22:40

:rolleyes:

Oooo! I shall lose all of 3 nanoseconds of sleep now, Anna……… 😀

:rolleyes: 😀 😀 Anna 😀 😀

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By: Grey Area - 2nd June 2005 at 22:38

Oooo! I shall lose all of 3 nanoseconds of sleep now, Anna……… 😀

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By: Mark9 - 2nd June 2005 at 22:37

Oh, I do so wonder who 92fis has in mind as a candidate when he talks about new mods? :rolleyes:

ps – I’m still waiting to see these “threats”, BTW. 🙂

Grey Area you come across as a Pra-t 😉 Keep away from what is not related too you!! 😉 😉 Anna

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By: Grey Area - 2nd June 2005 at 22:34

From you, that is praise of the highest order.

Thank you very much indeed – I am truly grateful. 😀

Now… about these “threats”. Any joy yet? 😎

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By: 92fis - 2nd June 2005 at 22:20

I don’t know grey area but it wouldn’t be hard to better you would it now. 🙂

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By: Grey Area - 2nd June 2005 at 21:51

Oh, I do so wonder who 92fis has in mind as a candidate when he talks about new mods? :rolleyes:

ps – I’m still waiting to see these “threats”, BTW. 🙂

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By: 92fis - 2nd June 2005 at 21:30

Forum standards seems like there are 2, one for us and then one for the mods. We can’t make personal attacks but they can just because we are not supposed to have seen them its ok for them to do that. Then they make the mods board available to you and tell you that you must not read how you have been slagged off by certain mods that don’t even know you but they just base their comments on wild rumours they have heard. As i haven’t ever met Moggy i thought at first he seemed like a decent person but now seeing how two faced he really is really questions his ability to be a mod. Damien was right about it being time to find some new mods.

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By: Mark9 - 2nd June 2005 at 21:15

It doesn’t look like that to me, Anna! It looks like the Somme, with two vast armies firing at eachother over the bodies of millions of their own dead. Every time one army finds an ingenious device that will win the war, the otherside goes and counters it.
How long until we have weapons of mass destruction buzzing around the forum…
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By: Barnowl - 2nd June 2005 at 21:11

It doesn’t look like that to me, Anna! It looks like the Somme, with two vast armies firing at eachother over the bodies of millions of their own dead. Every time one army finds an ingenious device that will win the war, the otherside goes and counters it.
How long until we have weapons of mass destruction buzzing around the forum…
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By: Mark9 - 2nd June 2005 at 20:58

TAKE COVER!!!!!!!
Someone be a dear and pass me that tin helmet…

Tin Hats Not Required!! Just Moggy saying sorry Anna! 😉 😀 😀 :diablo:

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By: Barnowl - 2nd June 2005 at 20:55

TAKE COVER!!!!!!!
Someone be a dear and pass me that tin helmet…

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By: Grey Area - 2nd June 2005 at 20:26

Whatever you say, Anna my sweet…………… 🙂

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By: Mark9 - 2nd June 2005 at 20:25

You would be correct in this Damien – but only if the person involved could reasonably claim that they did not know that they had no right to access said information.

But we’re getting into “angels dancing on the head of a pin” territory here, no?

Grey Area !!! Out of DEPTH!! 😉 Anna 😀 😀 😀

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By: Grey Area - 2nd June 2005 at 20:23

If a moderator or other person in authority freely gives access to the moderator forum to a user (whether intentionally or not), no breach of the Act has occurred.

You would be correct in this Damien – but only if the person involved could reasonably claim that they did not know that they had no right to access said information.

But we’re getting into “angels dancing on the head of a pin” territory here, no?

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By: Mark9 - 2nd June 2005 at 20:22

If you care to look back Anna you will see that

1) I have explained as much as I am going to – If you haven’t figured out yet what was going on you’d better ask someone who is thinking more clearly than you.

2) I have offered a fulsome apology if you would like me to post it. But I’m not sure you will like it.

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A Meaninless apology!! Until You Say Sorry Anna !! 😉 :rolleyes:

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By: Grey Area - 2nd June 2005 at 20:08

Funny how it seems to be the mods that have been doing the back stabbing that are the ones on here threatening us with court action, oh well it will be a day off work to see them get laughed out of court.

Presuming that your remarks were meant to have me quaking in my boots (yeah – right :rolleyes: ) perhaps you’d be so kind as to show me any threat of court action – actual or implied – that I have made anywhere in this thread or, indeed, elsewhere, 92fis?

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By: 92fis - 2nd June 2005 at 19:53

If you care to look back Anna you will see that

1) I have explained as much as I am going to – If you haven’t figured out yet what was going on you’d better ask someone who is thinking more clearly than you.

2) I have offered a fulsome apology if you would like me to post it. But I’m not sure you will like it.

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Why wouldn’t she like it then moggy whats not to like about sorry for all the lies and ****e i wrote about you in the mods forum.

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By: Moggy C - 2nd June 2005 at 19:43

If you care to look back Anna you will see that

1) I have explained as much as I am going to – If you haven’t figured out yet what was going on you’d better ask someone who is thinking more clearly than you.

2) I have offered a fulsome apology if you would like me to post it. But I’m not sure you will like it.

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