Aviation Management

For those thinking of doing the course at London Met starting in September, don’t bother! Been here half a year and it’s awful, i’m dreading going back down to London in a few days time. I’ve barely learnt a thing, partly due to one of the teachers not turning up for four lectures already. The University itself is rubbish, if i’m honest the whole University experience for me is a disaster – the accomodation is very poor, and the University itself so bad that half of my mates will have left by the end of the year, and i’m desperately trying to find another University to transfer to

Sorry to bump this back again, but anyone doing BSc Air Transport and Logistics Management?

260 UCAS points for the degree at Lboro. When I got in two years ago, it was 300 points I think, and got in on 3 Bs from A Level. Lboro was, and still is, one of the hardest unis to get into that offers an aviation management degree.

Indeed, but then Loughborough is a top ten university in The Times rankings, and has a VERY good reputation in industry.

Cheers lads 🙂

The one I’m doing is at The Aviation Academy (www.theaviationacademy.co.uk) in Leeds and its accredited by London Metropolitan University. It is a Foundation degree in Aviation Management and Operations. This course takes two years full time. To get onto this course you need to have 200 UCAS points.

After these two years, if I gain a Merit in the Foundation degree, I can study for an extra year and top it up to a Full Honours degree.

Overall it takes 3 years to get a Full Honours degree. IF you study this course at London Metropolitan University you can work towards the Full Honours degree straight away, whereas at the Aviation Academy, at the moment you can only study up to the Foundation degree, then apply for the Extra top up year once you have found out the outcome of the Foundation degree.

What are the grades or UCAS Tarriff point offers for these courses generally like? Are they academic courses or more applied degrees?
Cheers 🙂

260 UCAS points for the degree at Lboro. When I got in two years ago, it was 300 points I think, and got in on 3 Bs from A Level. Lboro was, and still is, one of the hardest unis to get into that offers an aviation management degree.

What are the grades or UCAS Tarriff point offers for these courses generally like? Are they academic courses or more applied degrees?
Cheers 🙂

Hi,

It would even be acceptable just to get a job in aviation for a year, even if it doesnt strictly cover the terms of a placement; any experience has got to be good in my eyes.

I disagree to be honest, you’re better off finding a role that will provide you with the skills that you want for your chosen career. I didn’t do my placement in aviation, instead I worked for a general transport planning firm, but the experience was more useful than having gone to work on check-in or security at an airport. I think that there is a fine balance between getting a placement job (not always easy) and fidning one that is actually going to offer you some benefit.

My tutor advised me to buy that book a few months ago so I did. Not read much of it, just bits and pieces to help on a topic called International Aviation Regulations.

Do you work in Aviation?

No, just always been fascinated by it since my dad bought me an airband radio when i was 10 (24 years ago…….. that makes me feel old!). I can remember standing on the roof at Newcastle (when you could!) and seeing a bunch of houses off to the north of the bottom of rwy 25 and thinking how great it’d be to live there, I now do, perfect. Would love to work in the industry tho…

Hey, I just read your page and it’s so strange, because next year I am going to uni and am also interested in Aviation Management at London Metropolitan Uni. Im going to the open day this wednesday, hopefully should be good.

Strange that you want to do the exact same course 😛 Hopefully should be good

Hi,

I’m another of the Air Transport Management guys at Loughborough, also on my 2nd year. I agree with what the previous Loughborough guys have said about the course so won’t repeat what they’ve told you.

What i would say though is that yes, it is by far the ideal to get a placement year to stand you in good stead for after the degree, however it’s not the easiest thing to actually get on a placement in the first place. It requires quite a lot of perseverance and research.

It would even be acceptable just to get a job in aviation for a year, even if it doesnt strictly cover the terms of a placement; any experience has got to be good in my eyes.

That said i’ve been lucky to enough to meet a few interesting people in my placement search, in particular some GB Airways Directors on their assessment day, and the Marketing Director of Flybe. It’s a pleasure to meet them alone, even after not having been successful with the placements.

So, im still looking, but will persevere because i know it’s worth it.

Regards,

If you’re interested in aviation management it’s worth reading a book called The Airline Business by Rigas Doganis, essentially an economics textbook but really interesting and no doubt of use to your course

My tutor advised me to buy that book a few months ago so I did. Not read much of it, just bits and pieces to help on a topic called International Aviation Regulations.

Do you work in Aviation?

If you’re interested in aviation management it’s worth reading a book called The Airline Business by Rigas Doganis, essentially an economics textbook but really interesting and no doubt of use to your course

It is indeed a good book by all accounts. I had borrowed it from the uni library and had it for weeks – didn’t read a single word of it though. oops. it ended up on my bedroom floor gathering dust. silly fool. 😮 🙁

If you’re interested in aviation management it’s worth reading a book called The Airline Business by Rigas Doganis, essentially an economics textbook but really interesting and no doubt of use to your course

I’m planning on doing it at Leeds in Sept. Still going through applications and the like.

As Adam points out about the Lboro degree, it is actually the same as the BSc in Transport Management and Planning(TMP), except that you have to do the aviation based modules as compulsory, and can then choose between which egenral modules you take, but comparison, TMP students must take supply chain management and transport planning modules as compulsory, but can then take air transport ones as optional. I did all of the same modules throughout my degree as a friend, but he ended up with the TMP degree, and I ended up with the ATM degree.

Adam is absolutely right to try and do a placement year. My boss would not consider a graduate with no working experience, but would consider a graduate who had done a years placement.

It was the economics on the Lboro course that sometimes makes me wish I had done an economics degree, I did my dissertation in an economics area. I work as an Aviation Consultant now, and one of the core competencies of our company is in aviation economics, whilst we have specialists and I mainly work in other areas, it has been extemely useful for all of the work I ahve undertaken.

I’m studying at Loughborough University on the Air Transport Management course that rdc mentioned. I’m in my second year, and am currently in exam mode.

Did my first exam of the summer on Tuesday – ‘Aviation Business and Human Resource Management’, and have three more coming up – ‘Supply Chain Management’, ‘Transport Planning Applications’ and ‘Aviation Planning and Operations’.

The idea behind the course is that you get a background to the transport industry as a whole – the degree does not focus entirely on the air transport industry. Ive learnt about road transport and rail systems, finance, law, a great deal of Economics (incredibly interesting), logistics and the basics of the aircraft design.

What I’m getting at is that the degree will stand you well for a career in any transport sector. And the aviation industry is so exciting and valuable. Every indsutry has its ups and downs, and the aviation industry has its fair share, but that’s what makes it so interesting and exciting!

Next year, I plan to go out on a Year in Industry, working in the airline/airport sector to get real, good experience that i can take with me into my final year.
I’ve been sending out CVs to companies left right and centre, and have now started to apply for advertised jobs. Yesterday, I was at MyTravel HQ in Manchester having an assessment day for a job for the year. Great fun, and this morning, they invited me back for an assessment day for the role of Dispatch Controller.

Any questions about the course, feel free to ask. 🙂

Adam Kendall and Sam McCrimmon – two other forumites on here, are doing the course with me – I’m sure they’ll be happy to help as well!

I did a BSc(Hons) in Air Transport Management at Loughborough University. Sometimes wish I’d done something more generic, such as and economics or a business course. However, I enjoy my job now, and my degree was of course directly related.

I think you make a good point here. The aviation industry is a volatile industry. It has mayor ups and downs every 5 to 6 years depending on outside factors. Factors that can not really be influenced by the industry itself. Think for instance of terrorism, epidemics (aviary flew etc), politics, and the usual general economic trends.

To be “stuck” with a aviation only education can be risky. I would advice to take a more general education that can be easily applied to aviation as well as trucking, shipping, warehousing and similar industries.

I followed International Logistics at a BSc level. When I left college the aviation industry was in deep troubles. When I went to search for a job I found one in under 4 months. A mate that studied aviation logistics at another college and graduated at the same time had to look for a year. By now I got a fixed contract with a recent promotion. My mate has a contract, but will have to wait a bit longer for promotions.

BTW, I work not in airfreight but seafreight. Mind you, my company has a sizable aviation department and I have helped them out from time to time with “spotter knowledge”. Stuff like “will this fit in a specific plane”, “what airline flies from CQD to SOS” etc. So I got a foot in the door if I ever want to leave the ships behind me.

rdc1000 What job do you do if you don’t mind me asking? What does it involve?

I did a BSc(Hons) in Air Transport Management at Loughborough University. Sometimes wish I’d done something more generic, such as and economics or a business course. However, I enjoy my job now, and my degree was of course directly related.