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I have recently received a box of Avro Lancaster relics from Germany, it was recovered from a construction site near Nürnberg, the aircraft was shot down on the Nuremberg raid on 31 March 1944. The Lancaster was flown by Pilot Officer John Batten-Smith D.F.C of No. 101 Squadron RAF, he was shot down by Oberleutnant Helmuth Schulte of II./NJG 5 near the autobahn at Röthenbach, which is 16 kilometres East North East of Nürnberg, the aircraft crashing at the road crossing of Nürnberg east (German: AK Kreuz Nürnberg Ost). The trouble is when I opened the box of relics, there were also parts of other aircraft a Spitfire, Halifax, Stirling, and a early jet fighter. I need to sort out the relics and find the Lancaster parts, as it is No 101 squadrons 100th anniversary this year and I would like to present them with some relics of one of their Lancasters. The forums help would be most gratefully received.

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By: denperk5 - 9th February 2017 at 09:57

I’ve listed this item on eBay as “Supermarine Spitfire switchbox 2 way ignition; Air Ministry Ref No. 5c/1540” would I be right, I know the Spitfire used them.

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By: denperk5 - 9th February 2017 at 08:13

Its been confirmed the dial is from the Air Ministry, Oxygen Regulator, which is good news, as I can list the dial with the other oxygen related items I have (the 6D/483 metal neck of an oxygen bottle, and the economizer oxygen parts) all up for grabs on eBay.

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By: denperk5 - 8th February 2017 at 19:59

I have studied the altimeter dial and discovered there are some Reference Numbers; top of dial “Type OM”? bottom of dial Ref No. 3D/245, the dial is only 2 inches in diameter, so it seems too small to be a pilots altimeter. I think the dial is off a navigators/Mechanics/bomb aimers device?

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By: denperk5 - 8th February 2017 at 17:39

As most of the relics in my collection are mainly from Lancasters the odds are it is from that aircraft, but your right I’ll just put “probably from a Lancaster”

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By: denperk5 - 8th February 2017 at 17:35

Hello Peter I have listed 170 items, have about 20 more to list. only sold 20 items so far, 35 went unsold I have relisted them. There are some nice items left would make a nice display, or for restoration experts to refurbish or gauge the dimensions of the originals.

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http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR3.TRC1.A0.H0.Xww2+relics.TRS0&_nkw=ww2+relics&_sacat=0

Or just type in WW2 relics

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By: BobKat - 8th February 2017 at 17:26

Dennis, I think you could say that this was from an oxygen bottle of the type used in bombers such as the Lancaster. It will no doubt also have been used on other aircraft.

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By: denperk5 - 8th February 2017 at 17:14

Thanks Bob fantastic its put me out of my misery about one of the items. It looks like it came from a RAF bomber, I’ll list it as a Lancaster part on eBay.

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By: Peter - 8th February 2017 at 16:23

Dennis that ebay link doesnt work for me

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By: BobKat - 8th February 2017 at 16:15

Dennis,

Your item 6D/483 is the distorted metal neck of an oxygen bottle.

The following link can be found by Googling: https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/REL34241/

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By: denperk5 - 8th February 2017 at 15:57

Nearly completed listings on eBay, but have two items that are really bugging me that I cant find any details about them. Can any forum member help me out? Item 1 a piece of metal maybe from engine? Serial No. (CT013) MK.VC (Air Ministry) 6D/483MN 4/43 17 94 96 Item 2 a Altitude indicator from which aircraft?

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By: denperk5 - 6th February 2017 at 15:53

All my items up for sale on eBay many I haven’t listed on this forum. You can identify and own a piece of aviation history.

http://my.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?MyEbay&gbh=1&CurrentPage=MyeBayAllSelling&ssPageName=STRK:ME:LNLK:MESX

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By: Peter - 31st January 2017 at 00:39

Thanks for the reply Bob I’m going with your description of the exhaust stubs for the Lancaster, they were fitted to the MK III so it gets me a few more relics towards my 101 Squadron collection. Here are some more items they look like pipe/lever connections. I also added a curios piece of relic item 138 its about a quarter inch thick, I think it maybe a piece of Armour plating it appears to have a couple of bullet indentations (maybe just my imagination)

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That last picture showing the square access plate, reminds me of the access panel beneath the rear turret…..

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By: WV-903. - 29th January 2017 at 21:24

Thanks for posting Dennis,
We love ID;ing stuff m8, putting the jigsaw together so to speak. Glad you have reached a conclusion at least, even if not was expected. Those wooden items could be off :- Mosquito or a WW2 Military Glider and my last ID is that items 130 to 133 are std. Imperial pipes and connections (Unions) from Brit Aircraft, most likely Engine oil–hydraulic or pneumatic if pipes are Tungum (Form of brass ) or Pitot static if they are made of light alloy. Dennis, feel free to come back anytime, all the best to you.

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By: denperk5 - 29th January 2017 at 16:40

This thread seems to have run its course, so I shall end it here. When I got the box of relics from Germany I thought I was getting the remains of a Avro Lancaster of No 101 Squadron, researching the aircraft relics I believed it was from a Lancaster flown by Plt/Off Batten-Smith lost on the Nuremberg raid on 31 March 1944, there probably are relics of his aircraft among my collection, but on inspection of the items, I found more than Lancaster relics, there are also other RAF aircraft and US aircraft parts that are included, which initially I thought was great, however it makes identifying the parts of the Lancaster of 101 Squadron near impossible, so I will not be presenting their association with any relics from one of their aircraft for their 100th anniversary. I would like to thank the many people on the forum for their time in identifying some of the items, I have been impressed by their technical knowledge, keen eye of observation, and the patience study on the subject matter, and it made me realize I’m not cut out to be an aviation archaeologist as I have none of these three attributes. So I will be selling all the relics on eBay, hopefully the forum members will find something of interest among the items on offer.

Thanks again

Dennis

I can’t resist one more question before I go; the Avro Lancaster was an all metal construction where did these wooden pieces come from?

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By: denperk5 - 27th January 2017 at 14:16

Thanks for the reply Bob I’m going with your description of the exhaust stubs for the Lancaster, they were fitted to the MK III so it gets me a few more relics towards my 101 Squadron collection. Here are some more items they look like pipe/lever connections. I also added a curios piece of relic item 138 its about a quarter inch thick, I think it maybe a piece of Armour plating it appears to have a couple of bullet indentations (maybe just my imagination)

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By: BobKat - 26th January 2017 at 16:21

Dennis, I have no specific knowledge of the P-51: my research has been limited to the Lancaster. The were many variants of the Merlin engine and I have no means of telling which variants might have incorporated the lock washer, or whether this was related to the shape of the exhaust stubs. I can only confirm that ED908 had Merlin 28 engines and the lock washer with the flat ends was found amongst the wreckage. Maybe someone with greater knowledge of the engine variants may be able to help?

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By: denperk5 - 26th January 2017 at 15:51

Bob I read your thread and according to the post the exhaust stubs were used on both the Lancaster and the P-51 as your exhaust stub relics differ in shape from mine, was the parts installed on different versions of the Merlin engine, one set manufactured for the Lancaster another for the P-51. The relics I got were supposed to be from a Lancaster Mk. III of No. 101 Squadron RAF, but as I have found P-51 items among my relics it’s kind of muddied the waters a little bit!

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By: denperk5 - 26th January 2017 at 15:32

Thanks Bob will do, I have the ED908 thread book marked.

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By: BobKat - 26th January 2017 at 15:00

Dennis, your item 124 is a Merlin engine exhaust stub gasket lock washer. There is an illustration of it in situ in post #1024 (page 35) on the ED908 thread. Some examples had flat flanges and others were spiked (as yours is). Have a good look through the photo-gallery on the thread – there is a link on the post I have referred to. You may see some of your other items there.

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By: denperk5 - 26th January 2017 at 14:17

Some more items probably/likely from an engine (hopefully a Rolls Royce Merlin)

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