Avro York Serials

Richard

Thanks for the response; it is much appreciated.

If the aircraft was No. 51 Squadron, I now have to find the link with No. 35 Squadron at RAF Stradishall (as that was where this navigator was based at the time)

Regards

Pete

Pete
The squadron code MOYA was used by RAF 51 sqn and has been discussed on this forum some years ago. http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?13223-Help-needed-Avro-York-51-Squadron
The list of codes is here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_RAF_squadron_codes
I suspect the individual code letter was allocated to more than one aircraft at different times.

Richard

I have a logbook from 1947 which shows a navigator flying in Avro York (MOYA-K). I would like to know a bit more about this aircraft but I have no knowledge of this aircraft type nor do I understand the MOYA-K reference.

My questions therefore are:

1. Was this a commercial or an RAF aircraft
2. Was this a C1 (or other variant)
3. Are there any photographs of this aircraft in circulation?

Any help would be much appreciated

Regards

Pete

Thanks for that, reply sent.
Would also like to thank Wieesso, who did mention ‘UP previously, and everyone else who has helped me correct the figures.:)

As someone who is more military serial orientated this highlights the problems of tallying production totals with total aircraft of the type to appear on civil registers, compounded by re-serialled aircraft.

Excellent! 🙂

You have a PM by the way.

Ah!! I wondered all along if G-AIUP (along with G-ALBX) was the stinker!
I think you’ve nailed it, thank you:)

I know this all looks a bit overboard but it is nice to establish all aircraft of the production batches.

Ah OK, how about this then? 🙂 MW320 is included in that batch of 208, but it’s also listed as G-AIUP in the batch of 44.

Also, I can’t find LV262 in my list. You sure that’s not LV626?

You’ve listed G-ANUN and G-ANVO separately (same aircraft). Does that help?

Unfortunately no, we can get the totals from the military serials alone in that batch,

MW100 – 149, 50 a/c
MW161 – 210, 50 a/c
MW223 – 272, 50 a/c
MW284 – 333, 50 a/c
PE101 – 108, 8 a/c

208 acft

The previous batch

TS789-‘813 (to G-AGNL-‘NZ G-AGOA-‘OF, G-AGSL-‘SP) 25 a/c
G-AHEW-‘EZ, 4 a/c
G-AHFA-‘FI, 9 a/c
G-AHLV & G-AIUP, 2 a/c
LV-XGN-‘XGP (to G-AMGK-‘GM), 3 a/c
Say LV-XIG or ‘XIH, 1 a/c

44 acft

leaves ‘XIG or ‘XIH spare

You’ve listed G-ANUN and G-ANVO separately (same aircraft). Does that help?

I will try and break it down a bit,

LV626, ‘629, ‘633 & 639

4 York prototypes

TS789-‘813 (to G-AGNL-‘NZ G-AGOA-‘OF, G-AGSL-‘SP) G-AHEW-‘EZ, G-AHFA-‘FI, G-AHLV, G-AIUP, G-ALBX, LV-XGN-‘XGP (to G-AMGK-‘GM)

44 York I,

MW100-149, MW161-210, MW223-272, MW284-333, PE101-108 (to G-AGJA-‘JE, G-AMRI & ‘RJ, G-AMUL-‘UN, G-AMUS-‘UV, G-AMVY & ‘VZ, G-AMXM,
G-ANAA-‘AC, G-ANAW, G-ANGF-‘GL G-ANRC, G-ANSY, G-ANTH-‘TK, G-ANUN, G-ANVO, G-ANXJ-‘XO, G-ANYA, G-AOAN & G-APCA)

208 York C.I,

LV262

1 York C.II, conversion

256 Total British Yorks

LV-XIG & ‘XIH don’t fit and make two aircraft over those totals, however G-ALBX that I have listed is Canadian build, which now leaves one aircraft over.

Thanks for bearing with me on this.

Unfortunately I can tell you pretty much whatever you want to know about the BSAA aircraft, but I’m a beginner when it comes to the others!

I’ll take another look at my new list and compare it to your earlier post to see if I can spot anything obvious. If not, I’ll try and send you the list and you can check! 🙂

I did notice when I was listing them last night that the c/ns are not 100% predictable. For instance TS789 (G-AGNL) is c/n 1213 and TS790 (G-AGNM) is 1215. When I checked, c/n 1214 is an Anson!

Excellent, I was kind of hoping you would be along!
Well most published figures do state 256 British built Yorks, but the five export aircraft to Argentina do seem to bump the total to 258 aircraft.
However as pointed out by Wieesso, one of the aircraft that I had counted, G-ALBX, is in fact a Canadian build, this brings the British total down to 257.
My post #9 should list every aircraft but appears a mess I’m afraid.

I can’t help but think that there is an anomaly with one other aircraft listed and that the figure really should be 256?

PS, the previous day I was sorting Lancastrians & Tudors, they really did make my head ache!

Having a particular interest in the York for obvious reasons (see my username …) I was fascinated by this thread, to the extent that last night I spent some time with Putnams and the usual sources putting together a list of all the individual aircraft I could find. The result? A total of 258 aircraft, including the 5 FAMA aircraft, the one Victory built, the fact that MW320 and G-AIUP are one and the same, and that G-ANUN was re-registered to G-ANVO.

I got a little lost throughout the thread over the question of how many aircraft you were expecting to find. Was it 256 or 258? If 256 then I guess there must be 2 anomalies in my hastily put together list.

Thanks Livewire, I have those five with those identities, but two (perhaps one now really) is still looking for a home in the overall production totals.
I can’t help thinking that G-AIUP is the fly in the ointment.

I have the 5 as
1354 G-AHXN to LV-XGN C of A 18th Jul 1946
1355 G-AHXO to LV-XGO C of A 12th Aug 1946
1356 G-AHXP to LV-XGP C of A 19th Aug 1946

1365 LV-XIG C of A, 5th Dec 1946
1366 LV-XIH C of A, 12th Dec 1946
It seems XIG and XIH had no UK Civil Reg issued to them

I think that is a typo from 256 to 265, in the text of the same book he even says 256 himself. I wouldn’t think that we are missing 11 aircraft.

Did wonder about that myself………..

Planemike

the only reserialed one is
Set 53
MW320 Royal Air Force Waddington, del 16.11.46; became c/n 1374
1374
G-AIUP Skyways Ltd. “Sky Consul” del 14.2.47; damaged beyond repair whilst landing London Heathrow-Airport 25.7.47

That one fits in with the 44 mentioned above.
However PC4494 isn’t a British serial or c/n, could it be Canadian build?

Edit I see your reference to the Victory aircraft now, this frees up one airframe in my totals, maybe one of the others that I’m counting is a re-registered example or something.

Thanks agin for the help.

Eastwood/Roach has 256 listed plus the Canadian Victory Aircraft Ltd.
PC4494 C.I (Spec)
FM400 Royal Air Force 1359 Flight del 18.12.45; Royal Air Force Lyneham Staion Flight tfd 22.3.46; G-ALBX Skyways Ltd. “Sky Dominion” bt 16.4.48; crashed Neustadt, near Wunstorf, British Zone Germany 19.6.46

Eastwood/Roach has these
TS789-‘813 (G-AGNL-‘NZ G-AGOA-‘OF, G-AGSL-‘SP)
listed as C.I
and only 22 as I
1208-1210 G-AGJB-D
1300-1311 G-AHEW-Z, AHFA-H
1316 G-AHFI
1340 G-AHLV
1354-56, 1365, 1366 LV-…

There should be 256 Yorks, broken down as 44 York Is & 208 York C.1s according to all sources on the subject that I have read.

Independantly of some of these sources I have traced serials and regs as these,

TS789-‘813 (to G-AGNL-‘NZ G-AGOA-‘OF, G-AGSL-‘SP) make 19 a/c

G-AHEW-‘EZ, G-AHFA-‘FI, G-AHLV, G-AIUP, G-ALBX, G-AMGK-‘GM (LV-XGN-XGP) make 25 a/c

That is the 44 a/c
The other 208 production aircrat are accounted for earlier, with the four prototypes this makes the 256 total York production
I’m struggling to make XIG & ‘XIH fit? Or would they have had other identities?